From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Wed Jun 3 12:03:13 2009 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:04:15 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact References: <9D1DE616EFE6458689363A8C5A3B5AF4@MicroMonkey> Message-ID: <3094B430-9AF5-4BAD-935A-C5EE570AC08C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hi Long, I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev or squeak= land@squeakland.org = ? Please do so, that we can discuss it there :) Rita Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > Von: "Long Nguyen" > Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ > An: "Rita Freudenberg" > Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact > > Thanks for the reply. > > To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get: > > You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed. > Please download the plugin here and then run the installer. > > You could also download DemonCastle1.055.pr and open it in Etoys. > > I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet = > explorer 8 and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3. > > I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives. > > I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, = > but I do not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 = > than move everything back to firefox 2. > > The regular etoys program/installer works fine though. > > Long > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rita Freudenberg > To: Long Nguyen > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM > Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact > > Hi, > > I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got = > these answers so far: > > Greetings, > Rita > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > >> Von: Luis Valente >> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ >> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > >> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Antwort an: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems. >> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin. >> >> Luis >> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger >> Rita Freudenberg wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> can anybody help here? >> >> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help... >> >> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check? >> >> Cheers >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >> >> Von: Long Nguyen >> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ >> An: squeakland staff >> Betreff: squeakland contact >> >> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. = >> Do you have any tips to get it running? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- = >> All the best, >> Lu=EDs Valente >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090603/4f46fa1f/att= achment.htm From bert at freudenbergs.de Wed Jun 3 13:58:04 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Wed Jun 3 13:58:53 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Plugin on IE8 In-Reply-To: <3094B430-9AF5-4BAD-935A-C5EE570AC08C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <9D1DE616EFE6458689363A8C5A3B5AF4@MicroMonkey> <3094B430-9AF5-4BAD-935A-C5EE570AC08C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed = to detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working? - Bert - On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote: > Hi Long, > > I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev or sque= akland@squeakland.org = > ? Please do so, that we can discuss it there :) > > Rita > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > >> Von: "Long Nguyen" >> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ >> An: "Rita Freudenberg" >> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get: >> >> You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed. >> Please download the plugin here and then run the installer. >> >> You could also download DemonCastle1.055.pr and open it in Etoys. >> >> I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet = >> explorer 8 and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3. >> >> I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives. >> >> I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, = >> but I do not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 = >> than move everything back to firefox 2. >> >> The regular etoys program/installer works fine though. >> >> Long >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rita Freudenberg >> To: Long Nguyen >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM >> Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> >> Hi, >> >> I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got = >> these answers so far: >> >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >> >>> Von: Luis Valente >>> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ >>> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> > >>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >>> Antwort an: The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> > >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems. >>> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin. >>> >>> Luis >>> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger >>> Rita Freudenberg wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> can anybody help here? >>> >>> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help... >>> >>> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Rita >>> >>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >>> >>> Von: Long Nguyen >>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ >>> An: squeakland staff >>> Betreff: squeakland contact >>> >>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. = >>> Do you have any tips to get it running? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- = >>> All the best, >>> Lu=EDs Valente >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090603/5f80d02e/att= achment-0001.htm From korakurider at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 22:39:02 2009 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:39:42 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Plugin on IE8 In-Reply-To: References: <9D1DE616EFE6458689363A8C5A3B5AF4@MicroMonkey> <3094B430-9AF5-4BAD-935A-C5EE570AC08C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0906032239l65c7c31ag1c9bd606832b136c@mail.gmail.com> I guess other possibility would be ... Staff to install will be decided by only target operating system. Current installer don't care about IE version. So legacy plugin was installed to his XP box and that might be incompatible with IE8... I will try to reproduce. /Korakurider p.s. If there is problem please forward this to squeak-dev (I am not subscribing). On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed to > detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working? > - Bert - > On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote: > > Hi Long, > I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev > or?squeakland@squeakland.org? Please do so, that we can discuss it there :) > Rita > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > > Von: "Long Nguyen" > Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ > An: "Rita Freudenberg" > Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact > Thanks for the reply. > > To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get: > > You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed. > Please download the?plugin here?and then run the installer. > > You could also download?DemonCastle1.055.pr?and open it in Etoys. > > I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet explorer 8 > and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3. > > I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives. > > I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, but I do > not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 than move > everything back to firefox 2. > > The regular etoys program/installer works fine though. > > Long > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:?Rita Freudenberg > To:?Long Nguyen > Sent:?Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM > Subject:?Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact > Hi, > I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got these > answers so far: > Greetings, > Rita > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > > Von:?Luis Valente > Datum:?3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ > An:?The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > Betreff:?Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact > Antwort an:?The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > Hi all, > > I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems. > Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin. > > Luis > 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger? >> >> Rita Freudenberg wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> can anybody help here? >> >> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help... >> >> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check? >> >> Cheers >> >> Michael >> >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Rita >>> >>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >>> >>>> Von: Long Nguyen >>>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ >>>> An: squeakland staff >>>> Betreff: squeakland contact >>>> >>>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. Do you >>>> have any tips to get it running? >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > All the best, > Lu?s Valente > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Thu Jun 4 03:50:38 2009 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Thu Jun 4 03:51:57 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeakfest In-Reply-To: <7ac6e0530905280014w192b09dam964268604f897836@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1D9C12.5060304@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <7ac6e0530905280014w192b09dam964268604f897836@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A27A6FE.6060701@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Although more tech centric, it may be interesting to show what > developer can do in top of Etoys to extend it with new artifacts. > Yes, I think that this would be interesting. Do you think about something particular or rather about how to add new things on top of Etoys in general? It sure would be a good idea to have both, teachers and developers, discussing these kind of things! Rita > Hilaire > > 2009/5/27 Rita Freudenberg : > >> Dear all, >> >> while preparing Squeakfests, we are thinking about what kind of workshops to >> provide and of having a technical track, too. So what I would like to know, >> is, what do *you* want to see or hear about on Squeakfest? Please tell us >> your ideas! >> >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > > > > -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html From lists at dcorking.com Thu Jun 4 23:22:43 2009 From: lists at dcorking.com (David Corking) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:23:43 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Broken links to Kedama examples? Message-ID: I would like to run the Forest Fire example in Kedama, to see an example of an Etoys cellular automata simulation. Could you point me to an Etoys release and version of Forest Fire code that are compatible, please? Here is what I have tried so far: (a) I downloaded the "Introducing Kedama" pamphlet http://svn.squeakland.org/pdf/kedama.pdf However the links in Appendix E (page 36) seem to be broken. The link is http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.squeakland.org/fun_projects/kedama/examples/forestfire2.pr However the Etoys plugin loads nothing, and indeed /fun_projects/ is '404 Not Found'. (b) Instead I downloaded http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/kedama/forestfire2.pr . However that does not run in the current Etoys (Etoys 3.0, build 2177, 5-Jan-2009 ). It shows an MVCMenu which, I guess, comes from the project loading subsystem: "Reading an instance of KedamaGetPixelValueTile. Which modern class should it translate to? Let me type the name now Let me think about it Let me find a conversion file on the disk" (c) "Gallery of projects" bundled with the Mac Etoys.app download (http://www.squeakland.org/download/) has 3 Kedama simulations, but not the one I desire: ParticlesDyeInWater ParticlesEpidemic ParticlesGasModel Possible ways you might be able to help me: 1. Point me to a version of Forest Fire that runs with Etoys 3.0, or an updated version of kedama.pdf 2. Point me to an archive of a 2004 or 2005 vintage squeakland release image (I read reports that "Squeakland 3.8-05" should run http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/kedama/forestfire2.pr ), or 3. finally, perhaps you could point me to documentation on how Kedama has changed from 2005 to 2009, so I that I could try to rebuild the 2005 version of Forest Fire to get it running in Etoys 3.0, though this sounds unlikely from http://squeakland.org/download/releaseNotes.jsp . (By the way, are detailed changes to Kedama logged in Monticello, subversion, a changeset, or elsewhere?) David From hilaire at ofset.org Fri Jun 5 00:42:31 2009 From: hilaire at ofset.org (Hilaire Fernandes) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:43:11 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeakfest In-Reply-To: <4A27A6FE.6060701@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <4A1D9C12.5060304@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <7ac6e0530905280014w192b09dam964268604f897836@mail.gmail.com> <4A27A6FE.6060701@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <7ac6e0530906050042p2298a018uef3fa591f1c671c8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/4 Rita Freudenberg : > Yes, I think that this would be interesting. Do you think about something > particular or rather about how to add new things on top of Etoys in general? My though is we can have more pedagogical added value in Etoys if it comes or proposes more higher level artifacts, like Kedama, DrGeo. I know very well the primary school teachers there, the easier they can get to produce content, the most they will use Etoys. As it is now, the proposed artifacts in Etoys are for most teachers too low level. Understand, it need too much investment from the teachers to produce something tangible, so most of the time they think "nice, but no thanks, I can't afford it". Of course, we can alway expose situation where teachers take the opportunity, but if you look at these situations, there are important outside support, not exactly the average situation, in the average school. I have many though about what kind of artifacts will make Etoys more teacher friendly. Those ones does not need to be as complex as Kedama or DrGeo. I wrote a note about this overall idea of artifacts in Etoys. http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire/index.php?post/2008/05/01/Operational-thinking > It sure would be a good idea to have both, teachers and developers, > discussing these kind of things! Absolutely. Hilaire From korakurider at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 04:21:34 2009 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Fri Jun 5 04:22:14 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Plugin on IE8 In-Reply-To: <75eb0b0e0906032239l65c7c31ag1c9bd606832b136c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9D1DE616EFE6458689363A8C5A3B5AF4@MicroMonkey> <3094B430-9AF5-4BAD-935A-C5EE570AC08C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <75eb0b0e0906032239l65c7c31ag1c9bd606832b136c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0906050421y520c9498i524c3d98b20ab1d1@mail.gmail.com> Hi all. I could reproduce the problem. Both are wrong guess :-) This is caused by IE8's "ActiveX opt-in feature"; ActiveX controls in page of non-trusted zone (in Internet settings) needs to be approved. see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb250471.aspx I filled http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-244 /Korakurider On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Korakurider wrote: > I guess other possibility would be ... > Staff to install will be decided by only target operating system. > Current installer don't care about IE version. > So legacy plugin was installed to his XP box and that might be > incompatible with IE8... > I will try to reproduce. > > /Korakurider > p.s. If there is problem please forward this to squeak-dev (I am not > subscribing). > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed to >> detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working? >> - Bert - >> On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote: >> >> Hi Long, >> I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev >> or?squeakland@squeakland.org? Please do so, that we can discuss it there :) >> Rita >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >> >> Von: "Long Nguyen" >> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ >> An: "Rita Freudenberg" >> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get: >> >> You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed. >> Please download the?plugin here?and then run the installer. >> >> You could also download?DemonCastle1.055.pr?and open it in Etoys. >> >> I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet explorer 8 >> and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3. >> >> I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives. >> >> I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, but I do >> not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 than move >> everything back to firefox 2. >> >> The regular etoys program/installer works fine though. >> >> Long >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:?Rita Freudenberg >> To:?Long Nguyen >> Sent:?Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM >> Subject:?Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Hi, >> I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got these >> answers so far: >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >> >> Von:?Luis Valente >> Datum:?3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ >> An:?The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> >> Betreff:?Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Antwort an:?The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems. >> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin. >> >> Luis >> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger? >>> >>> Rita Freudenberg wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> can anybody help here? >>> >>> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help... >>> >>> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Michael >>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Rita >>>> >>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >>>> >>>>> Von: Long Nguyen >>>>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ >>>>> An: squeakland staff >>>>> Betreff: squeakland contact >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. Do you >>>>> have any tips to get it running? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All the best, >> Lu?s Valente >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > From long at silo3.com Fri Jun 5 06:17:51 2009 From: long at silo3.com (Long Nguyen) Date: Fri Jun 5 06:18:32 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Plugin on IE8 References: <9D1DE616EFE6458689363A8C5A3B5AF4@MicroMonkey><3094B430-9AF5-4BAD-935A-C5EE570AC08C@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de><75eb0b0e0906032239l65c7c31ag1c9bd606832b136c@mail.gmail.com> <75eb0b0e0906050421y520c9498i524c3d98b20ab1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <786D159BFAEF49A492EC729BFB3DA07F@MicroMonkey> Thanks for the help everyone. I'll just wait for the new installer and try again later. Long ----- Original Message ----- From: "Korakurider" To: "Squeakland.org mailing list" Cc: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Plugin on IE8 Hi all. I could reproduce the problem. Both are wrong guess :-) This is caused by IE8's "ActiveX opt-in feature"; ActiveX controls in page of non-trusted zone (in Internet settings) needs to be approved. see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb250471.aspx I filled http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-244 /Korakurider On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Korakurider wrote: > I guess other possibility would be ... > Staff to install will be decided by only target operating system. > Current installer don't care about IE version. > So legacy plugin was installed to his XP box and that might be > incompatible with IE8... > I will try to reproduce. > > /Korakurider > p.s. If there is problem please forward this to squeak-dev (I am not > subscribing). > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: >> Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed to >> detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working? >> - Bert - >> On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote: >> >> Hi Long, >> I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev >> or squeakland@squeakland.org? Please do so, that we can discuss it there >> :) >> Rita >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >> >> Von: "Long Nguyen" >> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ >> An: "Rita Freudenberg" >> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get: >> >> You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed. >> Please download the plugin here and then run the installer. >> >> You could also download DemonCastle1.055.pr and open it in Etoys. >> >> I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet explorer 8 >> and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3. >> >> I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives. >> >> I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, but I >> do >> not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 than move >> everything back to firefox 2. >> >> The regular etoys program/installer works fine though. >> >> Long >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rita Freudenberg >> To: Long Nguyen >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM >> Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Hi, >> I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got these >> answers so far: >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >> >> Von: Luis Valente >> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ >> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> >> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact >> Antwort an: The general-purpose Squeak developers list >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems. >> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin. >> >> Luis >> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger >>> >>> Rita Freudenberg wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> can anybody help here? >>> >>> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help... >>> >>> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Michael >>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Rita >>>> >>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: >>>> >>>>> Von: Long Nguyen >>>>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ >>>>> An: squeakland staff >>>>> Betreff: squeakland contact >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. Do >>>>> you >>>>> have any tips to get it running? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> All the best, >> Lu?s Valente >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From yoshiki at vpri.org Fri Jun 5 22:58:10 2009 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Fri Jun 5 22:59:23 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Broken links to Kedama examples? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I or somebody should've done this before. So here is a version that works in the Etoys and Squeakland image: http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr Please make improvements and share. Thank you for reminding me! -- Yoshiki From lists at dcorking.com Sat Jun 6 03:49:06 2009 From: lists at dcorking.com (David Corking) Date: Sat Jun 6 03:50:07 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Broken links to Kedama examples? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr Wow! That was quick. This brand new version works beautifully on clicking the green button ("KedamaWorld setup"). I used the current Etoys (Etoys 3.0, build 2177, 5-Jan-2009, also known as Squeakland-OLPC latest update: # 2177, from http://www.squeakland.org/download/ ) on a Mac. Thanks Yoshiki: it is a fascinating simulation. From long at silo3.com Wed Jun 10 05:55:53 2009 From: long at silo3.com (Long Nguyen) Date: Wed Jun 10 05:56:32 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Tweak and Etoys Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -----= --------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Long Nguyen.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 472 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090610/c640ddec/Lo= ngNguyen.vcf From bert at freudenbergs.de Wed Jun 10 06:15:02 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Wed Jun 10 06:15:43 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Tweak and Etoys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10.06.2009, at 14:55, Long Nguyen wrote: > Hello all, > > Is the current etoys image written in tweak? No, it's still Morphic, though it looks a bit different. > If not, is there a date for the revision? There are no current development efforts towards a Tweak-based Etoys. Development recently moved from payed developers at VPRI to a community effort guided by the Squeakland Foundation. The Morphic- based Etoys is continually being improved. The look has changed from what it was like two years ago mainly to accommodate the OLPC XO screen. There will be a new Etoys release this summer, and we will start putting out beta-releases soon. Help in developing or testing is welcome :) - Bert - From kim.rose at vpri.org Thu Jun 11 07:06:37 2009 From: kim.rose at vpri.org (Kim Rose) Date: Thu Jun 11 07:06:46 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Reminder: Deadline for Submission June 15 Message-ID: <764A13B7-CD90-4A5E-829C-F06D91D15806@vpri.org> Greetings! Just a reminder that the deadline to submit to present at Squeakfest USA (Los Angeles - August 10, 11 and 12) has been extended to Monday June 15th. http://squeakland.org/squeakfest/submit/ Come share your experiences and discoveries! Please pass this to any and all you think may be interested who may not subscribe to this list. We look forward to hearing from you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090611/7fbf410e/attachment.htm From m.slg at gmx.de Thu Jun 11 11:59:11 2009 From: m.slg at gmx.de (Markus Schlager) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:00:00 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Broken links to Kedama examples? - Player names translated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like a bug with the translation-system. As you can see on the screenshot attached (fire-StandardViewer.png) the name of the player 'fire' get's translated on programming tiles. This should not happen. The same problem appears in scripts where there seems to be a font-problem with translated strings as well (tree-oneStep-1.png). After switching to program-code and back to tile-representation the displaced translations disappear (tree-oneStep-2.png , look for 'tree' and 'fire'). (Seen with Squeakland-OLPC Update #2193) Markus On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > I or somebody should've done this before. So here is a version that > works in the Etoys and Squeakland image: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr > > Please make improvements and share. > > Thank you for reminding me! > > -- Yoshiki > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So here is a version that > works in the Etoys and Squeakland image: > > http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr > > Please make improvements and share. > > Thank you for reminding me! > > -- Yoshiki > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: patch-value.png Type: image/png Size: 6823 bytes Desc: Url : http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090611/892d5067/patch-value.png From yoshiki at vpri.org Fri Jun 12 10:33:56 2009 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Fri Jun 12 10:35:27 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Broken links to Kedama examples? - Player names translated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for reporting! There are some duplicated code for Kedama and apparently there are some more places to fix... -- Yoshiki At Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:59:11 +0200 (CEST), Markus Schlager wrote: > > Looks like a bug with the translation-system. As you can see on the > screenshot attached (fire-StandardViewer.png) the name of the player > 'fire' get's translated on programming tiles. This should not happen. > > The same problem appears in scripts where there seems to be a font-problem > with translated strings as well (tree-oneStep-1.png). > > After switching to program-code and back to tile-representation the > displaced translations disappear (tree-oneStep-2.png , look for 'tree' and > 'fire'). > > (Seen with Squeakland-OLPC Update #2193) > > Markus > > On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > > > I or somebody should've done this before. So here is a version that > > works in the Etoys and Squeakland image: > > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr > > > > Please make improvements and share. > > > > Thank you for reminding me! > > > > -- Yoshiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Squeakland mailing list > > Squeakland@squeakland.org > > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > [2 ] > From heiland at indiana.edu Fri Jun 12 10:55:59 2009 From: heiland at indiana.edu (Randy Heiland) Date: Fri Jun 12 10:56:41 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] save a project in std format? Message-ID: <950BE9AF-4740-42F4-8A05-E946456A5160@indiana.edu> Can someone refresh my memory - is it possible to save a multi-page proj in some standard format - powerpoint, pdf, etc? If not, any other suggestions other than manually doing screen captures? To my amazement, I was still able to display this project from some years back in a recent etoys browser plugin and would like to get a backup in another format: http://squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://sda.iu.edu/K-12/math-model-nature.045.pr thanks, Randy From bert at freudenbergs.de Fri Jun 12 13:59:17 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Fri Jun 12 14:00:01 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] save a project in std format? In-Reply-To: <950BE9AF-4740-42F4-8A05-E946456A5160@indiana.edu> References: <950BE9AF-4740-42F4-8A05-E946456A5160@indiana.edu> Message-ID: On 12.06.2009, at 19:55, Randy Heiland wrote: > Can someone refresh my memory - is it possible to save a multi-page > proj in some standard format - powerpoint, pdf, etc? If not, any > other suggestions other than manually doing screen captures? There used to be an option to export all pages as bitmap files. Not sure where that option went. But if you get a Smalltalk inspector to open on the book you can do this: self firstPage. 1 to: 28 do: [:i | PNGReadWriter putForm: self imageForm onFileNamed: 'Book', i asString, '.png'. self nextPage] which creates screenshots of all pages. I did that, will send a zip separately. > To my amazement, I was still able to display this project from some > years back in a recent etoys browser plugin Well, we try to maintain backwards-compatibility. If you find an project created in an old Squeakland image and it does not work, we consider this to be a bug. In most cases we can still "rescue" it with some effort. > and would like to get a backup in another format: > http://squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://sda.iu.edu/K-12/math-model-nature.045.pr Nice project indeed :) - Bert - From lists at dcorking.com Mon Jun 15 13:17:53 2009 From: lists at dcorking.com (David Corking) Date: Mon Jun 15 13:18:53 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Download location for Etoys 4.0 image ? Message-ID: Can you suggest a place where I can download the Etoys 4.0 2206 image, please? (I don't want to download the whole of Sugar: just the image and changes) I couldn't spot it on the sugarlabs or squeakland sites, but maybe I didn't look carefully enough. The http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84/Etoys suggests that 4.0.2206 is an official release for end users. Do I understand that page correctly? Have there been any updates to the Linux VM since Etoys 3.0? David From bert at freudenbergs.de Mon Jun 15 13:49:23 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Mon Jun 15 13:50:03 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Download location for Etoys 4.0 image ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15.06.2009, at 22:17, David Corking wrote: > Can you suggest a place where I can download the Etoys 4.0 2206 image, > please? (I don't want to download the whole of Sugar: just the image > and changes) The latest Sugar Etoys test image is at http://etoys.laptop.org/src/etoys-image-and-pr.zip You can see what's new at http://etoys.laptop.org/src/NEWS > I couldn't spot it on the sugarlabs or squeakland sites, but maybe I > didn't look carefully enough. We will have a new Squeakland release based on 4.0 this summer. Betas should start to be available soon on the Squeakland site. Note that despite of the major version change, from a user's point of view 4.0 will not be much different from 3.0. The new version number signifies a change in license (now fully under a Free Software license, namely MIT+Apache) and a change in leadership (the Squeakland Foundation is taking over from Viewpoints Research). Of course there will be bug fixes and maybe some new niceties but no major new features. > The http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84/Etoys > suggests that 4.0.2206 is an official release for end users. Do I > understand that page correctly? Well, these are obviously developer pages. Sugar 1.0 will be the actual release for end users. We consider the Etoys version in Sugar stable and usable, but it's not yet "official". Preliminary releases are at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/etoys/ End users on Linux should use the version included in their Linux distribution if it is available, otherwise the download at squeakland.org is what we recommend everyone to use. > Have there been any updates to the Linux VM since Etoys 3.0? Yes. - Bert - From lists at dcorking.com Tue Jun 16 14:12:28 2009 From: lists at dcorking.com (David Corking) Date: Tue Jun 16 14:13:28 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Download location for Etoys 4.0 image ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, Bert, for the detailed explanation and download locations. You wrote: >> The >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84/Etoys >> suggests that 4.0.2206 is an official release for end users. ?Do I >> understand that page correctly? > > Well, these are obviously developer pages. Sugar 1.0 will be the actual > release for end users. My misunderstanding then (I guess this explains why "Utilities updateFromServer" on my end-user 3.0 image downloads nothing.) I will be glad to have the bug fixed code in my hands early, (even though I have not exercised the bugs yet.) Thanks again. A follow up question as my search skills failed me again: have release criteria for Sugar 1.0 been posted yet ? (What I have read so far is a roadmap from 0.84 in April to 0.86 in the fall : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 . I wondered if 0.86 will be a 1.0 release candidate, or if more new features are planned for 1.0?) David From dfarning at sugarlabs.org Tue Jun 16 14:25:27 2009 From: dfarning at sugarlabs.org (David Farning) Date: Tue Jun 16 14:26:05 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Download location for Etoys 4.0 image ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:12 PM, David Corking wrote: > Thank you, Bert, for the detailed explanation and download locations. > > You wrote: > >>> The >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84/Etoys >>> suggests that 4.0.2206 is an official release for end users. ?Do I >>> understand that page correctly? >> >> Well, these are obviously developer pages. Sugar 1.0 will be the actual >> release for end users. > > My misunderstanding then ?(I guess this explains why ?"Utilities > updateFromServer" on my end-user 3.0 image downloads nothing.) > > I will be glad to have the bug fixed code in my hands early, (even > though I have not exercised the bugs yet.) ?Thanks again. > > A follow up question as my search skills failed me again: ?have > release criteria for Sugar 1.0 been posted yet ? ?(What I have read so > far is a roadmap from 0.84 in April to 0.86 in the fall : > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 ?. > I wondered if ?0.86 will be a 1.0 release candidate, or if more new > features are planned for 1.0?) >From the Sugar side of things I don't foresee a 1.0 coming out anytime soon. Our release cycle is base on adding .02 to the number every release which occurs ever 6 months. First we need to get a a stead release cycle, every six months like clockwork. Then we can start the debate of what is 1.0?:) david > David > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > From bert at freudenbergs.de Tue Jun 16 14:30:51 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Tue Jun 16 14:31:31 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Download location for Etoys 4.0 image ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16.06.2009, at 23:12, David Corking wrote: > Thank you, Bert, for the detailed explanation and download locations. > > You wrote: > >>> The >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Releases/Sucrose/0.84/Etoys >>> suggests that 4.0.2206 is an official release for end users. Do I >>> understand that page correctly? >> >> Well, these are obviously developer pages. Sugar 1.0 will be the >> actual >> release for end users. > > My misunderstanding then (I guess this explains why "Utilities > updateFromServer" on my end-user 3.0 image downloads nothing.) For one, Etoys is deployed as part of Sugar but developed independently, so the Sugar version isn't really indicative of the maturity of the included Etoys release. Secondly, the update stream is now only used for development, not for updating user installations. Etoys is now installed as a regular application, users do not have to deal with Squeak images, updates etc. In fact, in any regular installation the image is read-only so couldn't even be modified from inside Etoys. > I will be glad to have the bug fixed code in my hands early, (even > though I have not exercised the bugs yet.) Thanks again. > > A follow up question as my search skills failed me again: have > release criteria for Sugar 1.0 been posted yet ? (What I have read so > far is a roadmap from 0.84 in April to 0.86 in the fall : > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 . > I wondered if 0.86 will be a 1.0 release candidate, or if more new > features are planned for 1.0?) That's a question better directed at the Sugar developers: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel - Bert - From lists at dcorking.com Tue Jun 16 15:06:06 2009 From: lists at dcorking.com (David Corking) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:07:04 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] Download location for Etoys 4.0 image ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> ?(I guess this explains why ?"Utilities >> updateFromServer" on my end-user 3.0 image downloads nothing.) ... > Secondly, the update stream is now only used for development, not for > updating user installations. Etoys is now installed as a regular > application, users do not have to deal with Squeak images, updates etc. In > fact, in any regular installation the image is read-only so couldn't even be > modified from inside Etoys. This is a good feature. Would it be helpful (or mischievous) if I proposed an enhancement request to remove the 'update code from server' command from the help menu? (Similarly, file list ... in the 3.0 image points to an ftp site at tinlizzie.org that does not permit anonymous logins, and appears not to be as current as etoys.laptop.org/dev .) From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Thu Jun 18 01:32:40 2009 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Thu Jun 18 01:33:40 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip Message-ID: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hi all, I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsh9vFIls4 Greetings, Rita -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html From hilaire at ofset.org Thu Jun 18 01:52:52 2009 From: hilaire at ofset.org (Hilaire Fernandes) Date: Thu Jun 18 01:53:29 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip In-Reply-To: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <7ac6e0530906180152je08a45fha59022be05441546@mail.gmail.com> It will be helpful to educator to know how to reproduce it. Do you think you can ask the author to publish document, diagramme, how to to disseminate it? Hilaire 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg : > Hi all, > > I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsh9vFIls4 > > Greetings, > Rita > > -- > Rita Freudenberg > FIN-ISG > Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg > http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Thu Jun 18 01:59:44 2009 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Thu Jun 18 02:01:02 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip In-Reply-To: <7ac6e0530906180152je08a45fha59022be05441546@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <7ac6e0530906180152je08a45fha59022be05441546@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3A0200.9050303@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > It will be helpful to educator to know how to reproduce it. > Do you think you can ask the author to publish document, diagramme, > how to to disseminate it? > Yes, I will do that. Rita > Hilaire > > 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg : > >> Hi all, >> >> I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsh9vFIls4 >> >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> -- >> Rita Freudenberg >> FIN-ISG >> Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg >> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > > > > -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html From abee2abe at yahoo.co.jp Thu Jun 18 03:24:12 2009 From: abee2abe at yahoo.co.jp (Kazuhiro ABE) Date: Thu Jun 18 03:25:10 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip In-Reply-To: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <2d5d52a80906180324k32228176uf5c4f7813b4f886f@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Rita, It's very interesting. Connecting real and virtual world is much fun for kids. There are many possibilities. Here is similar project called "Squeak+Gainer" made by Koji Yokokawa. http://lab.yengawa.com:8080/seaside/ypier/Projects/SqueakGainer Giner is an I/O interface board like Arduino. Gainer is popular in Japan. Cheers, Kazuhiro Abe 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg > > Hi all, > > I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsh9vFIls4 > > Greetings, > Rita > > -- > Rita Freudenberg > FIN-ISG > Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg > http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From bert at freudenbergs.de Thu Jun 18 04:19:03 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Thu Jun 18 04:19:41 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip In-Reply-To: <2d5d52a80906180324k32228176uf5c4f7813b4f886f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <2d5d52a80906180324k32228176uf5c4f7813b4f886f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The Potsdam Squeakers built an Etoys interface to Phidgets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0U57G-cTrk Phidgets are "plug and play" building blocks you can connect directly to USB: http://www.phidgets.com/ - Bert - On 18.06.2009, at 12:24, Kazuhiro ABE wrote: > Hello, Rita, > It's very interesting. Connecting real and virtual world is much fun > for kids. There are many possibilities. > Here is similar project called "Squeak+Gainer" made by Koji Yokokawa. > http://lab.yengawa.com:8080/seaside/ypier/Projects/SqueakGainer > Giner is an I/O interface board like Arduino. Gainer is popular in > Japan. > > Cheers, > Kazuhiro Abe > > 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsh9vFIls4 >> >> Greetings, >> Rita >> >> -- >> Rita Freudenberg >> FIN-ISG >> Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg >> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Thu Jun 18 04:36:48 2009 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Thu Jun 18 04:37:42 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip In-Reply-To: References: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <2d5d52a80906180324k32228176uf5c4f7813b4f886f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3A26D0.7010009@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Bert Freudenberg wrote: > The Potsdam Squeakers built an Etoys interface to Phidgets > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0U57G-cTrk > > Phidgets are "plug and play" building blocks you can connect directly > to USB: > > http://www.phidgets.com/ > > - Bert - It would be wonderful if we could present something like that at Squeakfest! Rita > > On 18.06.2009, at 12:24, Kazuhiro ABE wrote: > >> Hello, Rita, >> It's very interesting. Connecting real and virtual world is much fun >> for kids. There are many possibilities. >> Here is similar project called "Squeak+Gainer" made by Koji Yokokawa. >> http://lab.yengawa.com:8080/seaside/ypier/Projects/SqueakGainer >> Giner is an I/O interface board like Arduino. Gainer is popular in >> Japan. >> >> Cheers, >> Kazuhiro Abe >> >> 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qsh9vFIls4 >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Rita >>> >>> -- >>> Rita Freudenberg >>> FIN-ISG >>> Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg >>> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universit?t Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html From hilaire at ofset.org Thu Jun 18 04:59:55 2009 From: hilaire at ofset.org (Hilaire Fernandes) Date: Thu Jun 18 05:00:33 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] great video: etoys interface to microchip In-Reply-To: <4A3A26D0.7010009@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <4A39FBA8.4020300@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <2d5d52a80906180324k32228176uf5c4f7813b4f886f@mail.gmail.com> <4A3A26D0.7010009@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <7ac6e0530906180459s3d5f6d0cm7474e5c5e58f5ccf@mail.gmail.com> Please capitalize the information, it is definitely worth sharing the how-to about these projects. Hilaire 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg > Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> The Potsdam Squeakers built an Etoys interface to Phidgets >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT0U57G-cTrk >> >> Phidgets are "plug and play" building blocks you can connect directly to >> USB: >> >> http://www.phidgets.com/ >> >> - Bert - >> > It would be wonderful if we could present something like that at > Squeakfest! > > Rita > >> >> On 18.06.2009, at 12:24, Kazuhiro ABE wrote: >> >> Hello, Rita, >>> It's very interesting. Connecting real and virtual world is much fun >>> for kids. There are many possibilities. >>> Here is similar project called "Squeak+Gainer" made by Koji Yokokawa. >>> http://lab.yengawa.com:8080/seaside/ypier/Projects/SqueakGainer >>> Giner is an I/O interface board like Arduino. Gainer is popular in Japa= n. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kazuhiro Abe >>> >>> 2009/6/18 Rita Freudenberg >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I just got noticed about this video on youtube. It's really amazing! >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1Qsh9vFIls4 >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Rita >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rita Freudenberg >>>> FIN-ISG >>>> Otto-von-Guericke-Universit=E4t Magdeburg >>>> http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> > > -- > Rita Freudenberg > FIN-ISG > Otto-von-Guericke-Universit=E4t Magdeburg > http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- = http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090618/37a51ada/att= achment.htm From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Fri Jun 19 01:50:22 2009 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Fri Jun 19 01:51:13 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] notes from education team meeting Message-ID: <4A3B514E.4010501@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Hi all, we had our last education team meeting yesterday. Here are the notes: http://wiki.squeakland.org/display/sq/2009/06/18/education+team+meeting+June%2C+18 You can find the older notes here: http://wiki.squeakland.org/pages/viewrecentblogposts.action?key=sq Feel free to discuss and comment! Greetings, Rita --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- education team meeting June, 18 participants: Randy, Marta, Tim, Rita Tim told us about the pilot project that has started in Haiti on monday, June 8. There are not just kids, but also teachers attending the Etoys workshops, who can then teach other teachers. Tim has been contacted by OLPC Philippines, they will use Etoys there. For the Etoys courseware a very important thing is to get a template, so that we can ask others to help developing it. The outline for the basic unit is 1. sketches 2. halos 3. viewers 4. scripts 5. books 6. variables 7. animation 8. supplies 9. tests 10. exploring Randy has started with units about physical motion, they are based on a story, because that's a good way for children to learn things. He did send the projects to the education team to get feedback. On the outline for the lessons we say that each lessons should be 1 hour long, but that's not easy to do, some topics are more complicated than others. But than you don't have to spend all the time on the computer, with some topics we could provide ideas for classroom discussions etc. So for shorter lessons there is space for related things. Marta said she has volunteers who could help us with the course material once we have the template done. They can help with translations, too. Randy mentionend the "big ideas" behind the different sciences covered in school, that we should have in mind when developing course material: physical science - model and scale life science - system earth science - cycle Tim asked Marta if the name "Etoys To Go" for Etoys on a flash drive would be ok in Brazil, Marta said it is. Then he told us, that usb drives are noticeably cheaper with less memory, so maybe we should have "Etoys To Go for Windows", "Etoys To Go for Linux" etc. Most people would know which OS they would need. We will see how much memory the Etoys To Go will actually need. Tim suggested to DVDs with screencasts of the course material for Squeakfest. Marta told us about a problem of Etoys with a brazilian linux version, it isn't working. She will provide a link for the software team, that they can have a look at it. The government is providing more laptops to schools and teachers from that schools are coming to Squeakfest and of course would like to use Etoys. Tim brought up the idea of two new mailing lists: one for teacher and one for technical things. The reason to split would be not to bore teachers with technical details. Rita said, that developers often discuss topics relevant for teachers, additional features or changes will affect their work. Since there is not that much traffic on the squeakland list, there is no urgent need to split soon. The main list should be education-focused and hopefully developers will not discuss deep-down technical details there, that should be on a separate list. But generally issues should be talked about on the squeakland list, hopefully in a way that doesn't scares the teachers away. Randy was impressed by the Etoys video with the MCU interface that has been sent today on the list. He proposed to have a lesson using hardware in the course ware. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Rita Freudenberg Squeakland Foundation http://www.squeakland.org From sholom.eisenstat at yrdsb.edu.on.ca Tue Jun 23 10:42:37 2009 From: sholom.eisenstat at yrdsb.edu.on.ca (Eisenstat, Sholom) Date: Tue Jun 23 10:44:35 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] default saving to server Message-ID: How can we make our Squeak installations save to a logged-in user's default storage drive on a server? This would have to be a permanent fix to be included on our image rather than one which a student would have to manage. Thanks in advance. Sholom Eisenstat Computer Resource Teacher - Secondary East York Region District School Board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20090623/73ec1c31/attachment.htm From bert at freudenbergs.de Tue Jun 23 11:04:24 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Tue Jun 23 11:05:05 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] default saving to server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23.06.2009, at 19:42, Eisenstat, Sholom wrote: > How can we make our Squeak installations save to a logged-in user?s > default storage drive on a server? > This would have to be a permanent fix to be included on our image > rather than one which a student would have to manage. > Thanks in advance. You can specify the UserDirectory in etoys.ini: http://www.squeakvm.org/win32/settings.html - Bert - From subbukk at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 02:38:47 2009 From: subbukk at gmail.com (K. K. Subramaniam) Date: Wed Jun 24 02:39:26 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] default saving to server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200906241508.48221.subbukk@gmail.com> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:34:24 pm Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 23.06.2009, at 19:42, Eisenstat, Sholom wrote: > > How can we make our Squeak installations save to a logged-in user?s > > default storage drive on a server? > > This would have to be a permanent fix to be included on our image > > rather than one which a student would have to manage. > > Thanks in advance. > > You can specify the UserDirectory in etoys.ini: > > http://www.squeakvm.org/win32/settings.html I find it strange that the VMs use different techniques for adapting to different operating environments. Why not pick these paths from the environment (like LANG) instead of being hard-coded in ini/Info.plist files? I could hack a solution for Linux/Win, but I don't know how to put in env references in Info.plist for Mac. See http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2009-March/003053.html Subbu From bert at freudenbergs.de Wed Jun 24 14:30:45 2009 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Wed Jun 24 14:31:27 2009 Subject: [Squeakland] default saving to server In-Reply-To: <200906241508.48221.subbukk@gmail.com> References: <200906241508.48221.subbukk@gmail.com> Message-ID: <261C4E5F-2EF4-4103-8D0F-73A7573D6AEE@freudenbergs.de> On 24.06.2009, at 11:38, K. K. Subramaniam wrote: > I find it strange that the VMs use different techniques for adapting > to different > operating environments. This is not the right list to discuss VM implementation details. 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