From bradallenfuller at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 16:21:10 2008 From: bradallenfuller at yahoo.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Thu Nov 6 16:46:26 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] 40th Anniversary of the Dynabook Message-ID: <491389F6.4040008@yahoo.com> All, Alan, Chuck, Mary Lou and Steve did a fabulous job at the Computer History Museum's program last night. Insightful and educational as always. Alan, will you make your Squeak project available for us to review? I noticed that they were videotaping, so I assume the video will be available on the CHM youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/computerhistory Thanks to all that made it possible! best, brad From raphaelfneto at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 19:51:38 2008 From: raphaelfneto at gmail.com (Raphael) Date: Wed Nov 12 01:41:40 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Information about Extensions Message-ID: Hi all, I have been playing with eToys for about 2 weeks, and it's possible that i use it in my monograph for college. So, i was thinking, is it possible to create extensions of it? How can i do that?Please help. Thank you very much. -- = Raphael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20081112/2ac10bcf/att= achment.htm From eoca at afip.gov.ar Wed Nov 12 03:37:54 2008 From: eoca at afip.gov.ar (Emilio Oca) Date: Wed Nov 12 08:39:47 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] [seaBreeze-mailinglist] Porting to Squeak Message-ID: Hi Magnus, I am interested on this issue but as I have no previous experience on porting something that should be maintained at both ends, and I am pretty ignorant on web issues; I just started to use it on VW for a while. But I'll be glad to help. The "ifNotNil: [:p | p doSomething] should have no parameters" is a known issue, discussed several times on the squeak list, let me search a bit. I think that SmaCC works ok on squeak. It shouldn't be any problem using the Squeak Smacc port. The underscore char is used instead of :=3D , so is an illegal char at the beginning of a method. But I think there is a configurable preference on this. I am cross posting to the squeak list, may be more help is available there. Looking the way the seaside packages are maintained for inter-dialect portability may be a good idea. Cheers. Emilio - Hide quoted text - On 11/12/08, Magnus Schwarz wrote: > As nobody from the Squeak community did it by now and Gerhard Obermann > "complained" ;) that there is no Monticello version of seaBreeze I > decided to give it a try and port seaBreeze to Squeak. > > Main Problem was/is that I am used to work with Visualworks and Squeak > is somewhat different ;) > > I managed to load a lot of stuff into a Pier one-click image (decided to > use this because it should have the Seaside stuff already loaded) but > ran into some obstacles where an experienced Squeaker might help me: > > - I had many methods using "ifNotNil: [:p | p doSomething]" where Squeak > complained that the block should have no parameters - I changed the > implementation in Squeak so that it should work but it still complained > (and did not compile) > - The CSSParser was built with SmaCC which generates lots of methods > with underscores in it; now Squeak complains about the underscores but I > do not really understand what the problem is > > Biggest problem seemed to be the use of SXOR - we might make porting > much easier by deciding to drop this and use LiteralArrays (or whatever) > in seaBreeze ... > > Magnus > > -- > Magnus Schwarz * certified Scrum Master / Smalltalk architect * mailto:m= agnus.schwarz@heeg.de > phone:+49 231 97599-0 * fax:+49 231 97599-20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20081112/c50f3a74/att= achment.htm From kim.rose at vpri.org Wed Nov 12 13:35:31 2008 From: kim.rose at vpri.org (Kim Rose) Date: Wed Nov 12 17:20:37 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] 40th Anniversary of the Dynabook In-Reply-To: <491389F6.4040008@yahoo.com> References: <491389F6.4040008@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <548347E6-9E9E-4E8C-84BE-8F3DB2759A35@vpri.org> HI, Brad - Sorry for delay in response. I am checking with the Computer History Museum now to see if Alan's talk and the panel following it were indeed recorded. I'll send info on where one might watch once I receive a response. cheers, Kim On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Brad Fuller wrote: > All, > > Alan, Chuck, Mary Lou and Steve did a fabulous job at the Computer > History Museum's program last night. Insightful and educational as > always. Alan, will you make your Squeak project available for us to > review? > > I noticed that they were videotaping, so I assume the video will be > available on the CHM youtube channel: > http://www.youtube.com/computerhistory > > Thanks to all that made it possible! > > best, > brad > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From jecel at merlintec.com Thu Nov 13 13:53:38 2008 From: jecel at merlintec.com (Jecel Assumpcao Jr) Date: Thu Nov 13 14:57:04 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] 40th Anniversary of the Dynabook In-Reply-To: <548347E6-9E9E-4E8C-84BE-8F3DB2759A35@vpri.org> References: <491389F6.4040008@yahoo.com> <548347E6-9E9E-4E8C-84BE-8F3DB2759A35@vpri.org> Message-ID: Kim Rose wrote on Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:35:31 -0800 > Sorry for delay in response. I am checking with the Computer History > Museum now to see if Alan's talk and the panel following it were > indeed recorded. I'll send info on where one might watch once I > receive a response. Practically every talk at the Computer History Museum for the last few years has been filmed and then released to the general public. Normally there is a delay of a week or two but sometimes it even takes a few months. You can see the previous events and the movies available for download in various formats at: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/index.php?view=previous§ion=ca lendar Recently they have been adding their movies to YouTube instead or in addition to the above page: http://www.youtube.com/computerhistory Meanwhile, here are some very nice pictures from the event: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwichary/sets/72157608728121015/ Cheers, -- Jecel From milan.zimmermann at sympatico.ca Wed Nov 19 15:44:52 2008 From: milan.zimmermann at sympatico.ca (Milan Zimmermann) Date: Thu Nov 20 08:11:16 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Information about Extensions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811192344.52737.milan.zimmermann@sympatico.ca> On 2008 November 12, Raphael wrote: > Hi all, I have been playing with eToys for about 2 weeks, and it's possible > that i use it in my monograph for college. So, i was thinking, is it > possible to create extensions of it? Raphael, do you mean extesions of the tiling system (e.g. create your own tiles)? You may want to also ask at etoys@laptop.org , which is more active it seems. > How can i do that?Please help. > Thank you very much. From bert at freudenbergs.de Thu Nov 20 08:31:24 2008 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Thu Nov 20 21:29:16 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Information about Extensions In-Reply-To: <200811192344.52737.milan.zimmermann@sympatico.ca> References: <200811192344.52737.milan.zimmermann@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <515AAEEA-1A72-4391-8C2A-48CEE12147A7@freudenbergs.de> On 20.11.2008, at 00:44, Milan Zimmermann wrote: > On 2008 November 12, Raphael wrote: >> Hi all, I have been playing with eToys for about 2 weeks, and it's >> possible >> that i use it in my monograph for college. So, i was thinking, is it >> possible to create extensions of it? > > Raphael, do you mean extesions of the tiling system (e.g. create > your own > tiles)? You may want to also ask at etoys@laptop.org , which is > more active > it seems. Actually, it's etoys@lists.laptop.org and you have to subscribe first: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys But indeed I meant to ask the same question. In Etoys you have full access to the underlying Squeak system so essentially anything is possible, there are no hard walls as in other "toy" systems. - Bert - From marta at pensamentodigital.org.br Fri Nov 21 13:17:28 2008 From: marta at pensamentodigital.org.br (Marta Voelcker) Date: Fri Nov 21 14:17:33 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 Message-ID: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> Hello everybody, = This is Marta from Porto Alegre - Brazil. = = It is time to continue to plan and decide things about Squeakfest 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are enthusiastic to hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th ( Thursday to Saturday). Another International Conference about IT for Ed - WCCE -world conference in computers for education is going to take place near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st. We thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get interested in attending WCCE and vice versa. Please visit their website - www.wcce2009.org. I think this conference is very relevant to our community. It is still possible to submit papers if you are interested! The deadline is December 31st. = The Squeakfest would be a gathering for teachers, educators and school coordinators -- a time for Etoy fun and a general get together. We will certainly plan for the participation of some researchers and students as well, but the goal of the conference would be for participants to share how they are using Etoys, or plan to use it, share ideas, experiences, material and strengthen Etoy community bonds. We would also welcome teachers and reps from OLPC schools from Latin America and the Caribbean and if possible, from other countries. = Wouldn=92t it be awesome?! = Children from Luciana de Abreu School would certainly attend, present their Etoy projects and, as they are used to doing at conferences, take pictures and interview you guys with their XOs! = What do you think about it? Let me know your ideas=85 Is the time of the year good for you? Do you know this WCCE? ( I=92ve never hear about it before! Isn=92t it a h= uge coincidence?! We have been considering Squeakfest 2009 in Porto Alegre since Jan, and then this WCCE is going to be hold in here too?! ) = Well enough questions for just one email!!!! I hope to hear from you during the weekend! All the best, = Marta Voelcker = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20081121/e6f3c754/att= achment.html From jecel at merlintec.com Fri Nov 21 15:09:29 2008 From: jecel at merlintec.com (Jecel Assumpcao Jr) Date: Fri Nov 21 14:17:33 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] Squeakfest 2009 In-Reply-To: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> References: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> Message-ID: Marta Voelcker wrote: > [Squeakfest 2009 in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th] > [IT for Ed? - WCCE near Porto Alegre July 27th to 31st] This sounds like a great plan, but don't forget that this will make it also close to FISL, to be held in Porto Alegre as well on June 24 to 27 (Randal Schwartz wrote 25 to 28 in his blog) and which is supposed to have a three day Smalltalk track organized by Randal. I hope there will also be several OLPC related activities at FISL 2009 like there were this year. The problem is that nearly a month is too close for two trips down there but too far away for a single trip for both events. Unfortunately I don't have any good suggestions. For locals, of course, it will be great! -- Jecel From merlyn at stonehenge.com Sat Nov 22 04:42:27 2008 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Sat Nov 22 07:29:59 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 In-Reply-To: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> (Marta Voelcker's message of "Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:17:28 -0200") References: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> Message-ID: <86r654szik.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker writes: Marta> It is time to continue to plan and decide things about Squeakfest Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are enthusiastic to Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th ( Thursday to Marta> Saturday). Another International Conference about IT for Ed - WCCE Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take place Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st. We Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa. Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf within FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city! How much smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion From marta at pensamentodigital.org.br Sat Nov 22 21:11:24 2008 From: marta at pensamentodigital.org.br (Marta Voelcker) Date: Sun Nov 23 00:58:56 2008 Subject: RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 In-Reply-To: <86r654szik.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> <86r654szik.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <001401c94d29$efe526e0$cfaf74a0$@org.br> Randal, Jecel and all, = June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference and how FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind (similar to Chicago 2007)... = = I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools. = = In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced coaches, and I see the teachers as the players. They are those who score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see them becoming the stars, shining in this context! = = The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it, but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language- the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans about E-toys. = Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth as explained by = David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth =97 towards fundamental cha= nge in learning environments - ... as the terms replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading. I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in developing countries=85 But schools will need initiated teachers, teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen. Maybe, relating Squeakfest with a big software conferences might scare teachers=85 = In the other hand, making Squeakfest close to an IT for Education conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of teachers and people from education area. = Let me know your thoughts, = Marta = -----Mensagem original----- De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] = Enviada em: s=E1bado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42 Para: Marta Voelcker Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org; etoys@lists.laptop.org; 'Susana Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@pensamentodigital.org.br; L=E9a Fagundes - UFRGS (L=E9a Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb'; 'M=F4nica Estr=E1= zulas' Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 = >>>>> "Marta" =3D=3D Marta Voelcker writes: = Marta> It is time to continue to plan and decide things about Squeakfest Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are enthusiastic to Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th ( Thursday to Marta> Saturday). Another International Conference about IT for Ed - WCCE Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take place Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st. We Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa. = Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf within FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city! How much smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :) = -- = Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20081123/0966ffce/att= achment.htm From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Sun Nov 23 11:01:37 2008 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Sun Nov 23 11:23:42 2008 Subject: [Etoys] RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 In-Reply-To: <001401c94d29$efe526e0$cfaf74a0$@org.br> References: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> <86r654szik.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <001401c94d29$efe526e0$cfaf74a0$@org.br> Message-ID: <5FD12100-6B9D-485D-BF27-3D1FDF0A63AF@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Am 23.11.2008 um 06:11 schrieb Marta Voelcker: > Randal, Jecel and all, > > June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference > and how FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind > (similar to Chicago 2007)... > > I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently > biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not > related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related > to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools. > > In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with > NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced > coaches, and I see the teachers as the players. They are those who > score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see > them becoming the stars, shining in this context! > > The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it, > but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language- > the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans about > E-toys. > > Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the > landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth > as explained by > David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth ? towards > fundamental change in learning environments - ... as the terms > replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading. > I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs > in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in > developing countries? But schools will need initiated teachers, > teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen. > Maybe, relating Squeakfest with a big software conferences might > scare teachers? > In the other hand, making Squeakfest close to an IT for Education > conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of > teachers and people from education area. > > Let me know your thoughts, Hi Marta, I agree with you that the main focus of Squeakfest should be the teachers and educators. In this context I would think July is easier for teachers because of the summer holidays, which in most countries will have started in July (as far as I know). What you think about Squeakfest sounds very inspiring! Please let me know how I can help you with planning. Best regards, Rita > > Marta > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] > Enviada em: s?bado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42 > Para: Marta Voelcker > Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org; etoys@lists.laptop.org; 'Susana > Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@pensamentodigital.org.br > ; L?a Fagundes - UFRGS (L?a Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb'; > 'M?nica Estr?zulas' > Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 > > >>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker > writes: > > Marta> It is time to continue to plan and decide things about > Squeakfest > Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are > enthusiastic to > Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th > ( Thursday to > Marta> Saturday). Another International Conference about IT for Ed > - WCCE > Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take > place > Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st. > We > Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get > Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa. > > Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf > within > FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city! How much > smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :) > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 > 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside > discussion > _______________________________________________ > Etoys mailing list > Etoys@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys From h.pillay at ieee.org Sun Nov 23 15:27:45 2008 From: h.pillay at ieee.org (Harish Pillay 9v1hp) Date: Sun Nov 23 21:08:09 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak for code::XtremeApps 2009 contest in Singapore Message-ID: Dear List - Hi. I would like to reach out to all on this list to see how best I can run a programming contest for children 12 years and below. I am on the organizing committee of a programming contest called code::XtremeApps. It comprises two categories - a Junior Category for those 12 and below, and an open category for everyone on the net. We are going to run the 3rd iteration of the contest next year (you can see the 2008 details at http://www.itsc.org.sg/codeXtremeApps2008.html). For the 2009 run, I am planning on using Squeak for the junior cat - the 2008 contest used Alice. The contest is to be held in the June period (which is in the middle of school year here in Singapore). I would appreciate pointers and suggestions on using squeak for programming contest and perhaps even lessons learned. Thanks. -- Harish Pillay h.pillay@ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 From kim.rose at vpri.org Mon Nov 24 14:45:50 2008 From: kim.rose at vpri.org (Kim Rose) Date: Tue Nov 25 09:02:53 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak for code::XtremeApps 2009 contest in Singapore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Harish, Your contest sounds quite interesting -- thanks for sharing with the Squeakland community. There are a few programs I can tell you about. You should know these used Squeak "Etoys" and not the more Smalltalk-like environment of "Squeak" -- so these children did their "programming" creating scripts and using the tiles found in the Etoy system. If you choose to use Etoys as part of your contest, we highly advise you to use the most recent version that can be downloaded from the Squeakland website now. This version is also compatible with the version children are using on the XO from olpc. 1) Hewlett Packard Japan started a program a few years ago called "HP Super Science Kids" -- this was a country-wide program in Japan that engaged children to participate by creating science-based Etoys and submit them for judging by a "distinguished panel". Winners shared their entries via public venues. Here is the official site of the Program -- but I am sorry it is in Japanese -- hopefully you can find someone to read/translate. http://www.supersciencekids.com/ 2) The organization "Waveplace" recently conducted a contest too, focussing on storytelling, but several of the stories contain well- created scripts that could lead children to create more powerful simulations for science. Here is that website: http://www.waveplace.com/news/awards/ I hope others from the community will comment if they have had contests or experiences in this area as well. We would be most interested in seeing the projects created by your participants if/when they create them, so please do share with us! We'd also love a short article about your experience(s) for our email-newsletter. Good luck with your program(s) -- regards, Kim Rose --- Viewpoints Research is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to improving "powerful ideas education" for the world's children and advancing the state of systems research and personal computing. Please visit us online at www.vpri.org On Nov 23, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Harish Pillay 9v1hp wrote: > Dear List - > > Hi. I would like to reach out to all on this list to see how best I > can run > a programming contest for children 12 years and below. > > I am on the organizing committee of a programming contest called > code::XtremeApps. It comprises two categories - a Junior Category > for those 12 and below, and an open category for everyone on the > net. > > We are going to run the 3rd iteration of the contest next year (you > can see the 2008 details at http://www.itsc.org.sg/codeXtremeApps2008.html) > . > > For the 2009 run, I am planning on using Squeak for the junior cat - > the 2008 contest used Alice. The contest is to be held in the June > period (which is in the middle of school year here in Singapore). > > I would appreciate pointers and suggestions on using squeak for > programming contest and perhaps even lessons learned. > > Thanks. > -- > Harish Pillay h.pillay@ieee.org gpg id: 746809E3 > fingerprint: F7F5 5CCD 25B9 FC25 303E 3DA2 0F80 27DB 7468 09E3 > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From youngjin.michael at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 08:16:04 2008 From: youngjin.michael at gmail.com (Young-Jin Lee) Date: Tue Nov 25 09:02:53 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Cannot see the tiles in a script Message-ID: <9a2a73210811250816w16c449e1l8860a83e57755c2a@mail.gmail.com> Dear List, For some reason, I cannot see the tiles in a script that I created. Normally, if I pull out a script tile from the Scripts category in the viewer, I get to see the tiles inside the script . But, I have a script that does not show the tiles when I pull it from the viewer because it remains as a single tile showing only the name of the script, not the contents of the script. Since I cannot see the contents of the script, I cannot modify it. Can any one explain why I got this problem and how to solve it? Thanks in advance. Young-Jin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://vpri.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20081125/4c845652/att= achment.htm From scott.wallace at squeakland.org Tue Nov 25 09:43:03 2008 From: scott.wallace at squeakland.org (Scott Wallace) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:28:35 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Cannot see the tiles in a script In-Reply-To: <9a2a73210811250816w16c449e1l8860a83e57755c2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a2a73210811250816w16c449e1l8860a83e57755c2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8560F4BC-9531-4CA5-AE07-B36FD44CD35D@squeakland.org> Hi, Young-Jin, I don't think this is a phenomenon we've seen, or heard reported, until now, so a little more information would be helpful. Please email a copy of your project, if possible. Thanks, -- Scott On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Young-Jin Lee wrote: > Dear List, > > For some reason, I cannot see the tiles in a script that I created. > Normally, if I pull out a script tile from the Scripts category in > the viewer, I get to see the tiles inside the script . But, I have a > script that does not show the tiles when I pull it from the viewer > because it remains as a single tile showing only the name of the > script, not the contents of the script. Since I cannot see the > contents of the script, I cannot modify it. > > Can any one explain why I got this problem and how to solve it? > > Thanks in advance. > > Young-Jin > _____________________________________________ From marta at pensamentodigital.org.br Tue Nov 25 12:10:57 2008 From: marta at pensamentodigital.org.br (Marta Voelcker) Date: Tue Nov 25 12:28:35 2008 Subject: RES: [Etoys] RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 In-Reply-To: <5FD12100-6B9D-485D-BF27-3D1FDF0A63AF@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> <86r654szik.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <001401c94d29$efe526e0$cfaf74a0$@org.br> <5FD12100-6B9D-485D-BF27-3D1FDF0A63AF@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Message-ID: <006d01c94f39$ef4ef870$cdece950$@org.br> Rita, thanks for your reply, Nice to know that you are considering to come! We could think together how to organize some new kind - more interactive workshops - maybe for a happy hour -or one afternoon - I participated in a conference in Costa Rica, last April - there was one moment called " Caf? with researchers" they organized 2 researchers and a translator per table together with 10 local students - we had coffee and an casual conversation - each table had specific theme and researchers from different countries... I am sure you have other experiences ... we could think about some interactive moments... Vielen dank! Marta -----Mensagem original----- De: Rita Freudenberg [mailto:rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] Enviada em: domingo, 23 de novembro de 2008 17:02 Para: Marta Voelcker Cc: 'Randal L. Schwartz'; etoys@lists.laptop.org; 'Susana Seidel'; 'Edson Lindner'; squeakland@squeakland.org; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@pensamentodigital.org.br; "'L?a Fagundes - UFRGS (L?a Fagundes - UFRGS)'"; 'bruno sperb'; "'M?nica Estr?zulas'" Assunto: Re: [Etoys] RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 Am 23.11.2008 um 06:11 schrieb Marta Voelcker: > Randal, Jecel and all, > > June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference > and how FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind > (similar to Chicago 2007)... > > I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently > biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not > related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related > to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools. > > In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with > NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced > coaches, and I see the teachers as the players. They are those who > score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see > them becoming the stars, shining in this context! > > The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it, > but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language- > the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans about > E-toys. > > Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the > landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth > as explained by > David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth ? towards > fundamental change in learning environments - ... as the terms > replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading. > I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs > in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in > developing countries But schools will need initiated teachers, > teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen. > Maybe, relating Squeakfest with a big software conferences might > scare teachers > In the other hand, making Squeakfest close to an IT for Education > conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of > teachers and people from education area. > > Let me know your thoughts, Hi Marta, I agree with you that the main focus of Squeakfest should be the teachers and educators. In this context I would think July is easier for teachers because of the summer holidays, which in most countries will have started in July (as far as I know). What you think about Squeakfest sounds very inspiring! Please let me know how I can help you with planning. Best regards, Rita > > Marta > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] > Enviada em: s?bado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42 > Para: Marta Voelcker > Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org; etoys@lists.laptop.org; 'Susana > Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@pensamentodigital.org.br > ; L?a Fagundes - UFRGS (L?a Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb'; > 'M?nica Estr?zulas' > Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 > > >>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker > writes: > > Marta> It is time to continue to plan and decide things about > Squeakfest > Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are > enthusiastic to > Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th > ( Thursday to > Marta> Saturday). Another International Conference about IT for Ed > - WCCE > Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take > place > Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st. > We > Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get > Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa. > > Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf > within > FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city! How much > smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :) > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 > 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside > discussion > _______________________________________________ > Etoys mailing list > Etoys@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys From bradallenfuller at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 20:35:10 2008 From: bradallenfuller at yahoo.com (Brad Fuller) Date: Fri Nov 28 00:18:13 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] 40th Anniversary of the Dynabook In-Reply-To: <548347E6-9E9E-4E8C-84BE-8F3DB2759A35@vpri.org> References: <491389F6.4040008@yahoo.com> <548347E6-9E9E-4E8C-84BE-8F3DB2759A35@vpri.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Kim Rose wrote: > HI, Brad - > > Sorry for delay in response. I am checking with the Computer History Museum > now to see if Alan's talk and the panel following it were indeed recorded. > I'll send info on where one might watch once I receive a response. The event is now on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQg4LquY0uU > On Nov 6, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Brad Fuller wrote: > >> All, >> >> Alan, Chuck, Mary Lou and Steve did a fabulous job at the Computer >> History Museum's program last night. Insightful and educational as >> always. Alan, will you make your Squeak project available for us to >> review? >> >> I noticed that they were videotaping, so I assume the video will be >> available on the CHM youtube channel: >> http://www.youtube.com/computerhistory >> >> Thanks to all that made it possible! >> >> best, >> brad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- Brad Fuller From rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Fri Nov 28 06:01:58 2008 From: rita at isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (Rita Freudenberg) Date: Fri Nov 28 06:04:38 2008 Subject: [Etoys] RES: RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 In-Reply-To: <006d01c94f39$ef4ef870$cdece950$@org.br> References: <023a01c94c1e$902d7d80$b0887880$@org.br> <86r654szik.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <001401c94d29$efe526e0$cfaf74a0$@org.br> <5FD12100-6B9D-485D-BF27-3D1FDF0A63AF@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <006d01c94f39$ef4ef870$cdece950$@org.br> Message-ID: <492FF9D6.7000809@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Marta Voelcker wrote: > Rita, > > thanks for your reply, > Nice to know that you are considering to come! > We could think together how to organize some new kind - more interactive > workshops - maybe for a happy hour -or one afternoon - > > I participated in a conference in Costa Rica, last April - there was one > moment called " Caf? with researchers" they organized 2 researchers and a > translator per table together with 10 local students - we had coffee and an > casual conversation - each table had specific theme and researchers from > different countries... I am sure you have other experiences ... we could > think about some interactive moments... > > That sounds very interesting! What I liked very much at the Scratch conference in July were the kids on the first keynote. That was such a motivation for every researcher and teacher! I would like to do something like that at Squeakfest, maybe with the kids from Luciana de Abreu Elementary School? What do you think? Cumprimentos, Rita > Vielen dank! > > Marta > > > -----Mensagem original----- > De: Rita Freudenberg [mailto:rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] > Enviada em: domingo, 23 de novembro de 2008 17:02 > Para: Marta Voelcker > Cc: 'Randal L. Schwartz'; etoys@lists.laptop.org; 'Susana Seidel'; 'Edson > Lindner'; squeakland@squeakland.org; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; > decio@pensamentodigital.org.br; "'L?a Fagundes - UFRGS (L?a Fagundes - > UFRGS)'"; 'bruno sperb'; "'M?nica Estr?zulas'" > Assunto: Re: [Etoys] RES: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 > > Am 23.11.2008 um 06:11 schrieb Marta Voelcker: > > >> Randal, Jecel and all, >> >> June is also possible, but, I was thinking how Smalltalk Conference >> and how FISL atmosphere relate to the Squeakfest that I had in mind >> (similar to Chicago 2007)... >> >> I have limited experience, but the way I see things, the currently >> biggest challenge for E-toys growth is not on its code, is not >> related to software, but to teachers and schools reps. It is related >> to communicating what for, and how to, use it inside schools. >> >> In this context, making a metaphor with sports, let's say... with >> NBA - I see the developers/programmers as the wise and experienced >> coaches, and I see the teachers as the players. They are those who >> score, who make it happen inside the classroom - I would like to see >> them becoming the stars, shining in this context! >> >> The name Squeakfest made history already, and so we plan to keep it, >> but in fact, the idea is not about squeak-the programming language- >> the idea is gathering together to share experience and plans about >> E-toys. >> >> Talking about e-toys I am particularly motivated about 2009 - the >> landscape had never been so proper to make it growth. Taking growth >> as explained by >> David Cavallo's in his paper - Models of growth ? towards >> fundamental change in learning environments - ... as the terms >> replication and scaling are themselves problematic and misleading. >> I see 2009 proper for growth because OLPC has already delivered XOs >> in schools in many countries; technology price had go down also in >> developing countries? But schools will need initiated teachers, >> teachers active in e-toys community, to make it happen. >> Maybe, relating Squeakfest with a big software conferences might >> scare teachers? >> In the other hand, making Squeakfest close to an IT for Education >> conference (WCCE) is probably going to increase attendance of >> teachers and people from education area. >> >> Let me know your thoughts, >> > > Hi Marta, > > I agree with you that the main focus of Squeakfest should be the > teachers and educators. In this context I would think July is easier > for teachers because of the summer holidays, which in most countries > will have started in July (as far as I know). What you think about > Squeakfest sounds very inspiring! Please let me know how I can help > you with planning. > > Best regards, > Rita > > >> Marta >> >> -----Mensagem original----- >> De: Randal L. Schwartz [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] >> Enviada em: s?bado, 22 de novembro de 2008 10:42 >> Para: Marta Voelcker >> Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org; etoys@lists.laptop.org; 'Susana >> Seidel'; Edson Lindner; 'Daniela Hoffmann'; decio@pensamentodigital.org.br >> > > >> ; L?a Fagundes - UFRGS (L?a Fagundes - UFRGS); 'bruno sperb'; >> 'M?nica Estr?zulas' >> Assunto: Re: [Squeakland] Squeakfest 2009 >> >> >>>>>>> "Marta" == Marta Voelcker >>>>>>> >> writes: >> >> Marta> It is time to continue to plan and decide things about >> Squeakfest >> Marta> 2009. My colleagues and I have been talking and we are >> enthusiastic to >> Marta> hold a gathering in Porto Alegre on July 23rd to 25th >> ( Thursday to >> Marta> Saturday). Another International Conference about IT for Ed >> - WCCE >> Marta> -world conference in computers for education is going to take >> place >> Marta> near Porto Alegre in the following week - July 27th to 31st. >> We >> Marta> thought that some of the people coming for Squeakfest would get >> Marta> interested in attending WCCE and vice versa. >> >> Please also note the addition of an entire 3-day Smalltalk Mini-Conf >> within >> FISL 10, a mere three weeks earlier within the same city! How much >> smalltalking can Porto Alegre handle? :) >> >> -- >> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 >> 777 0095 >> >> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. >> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside >> discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> Etoys mailing list >> Etoys@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Etoys mailing list > Etoys@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys > > > >