From yoshiki at vpri.org Thu May 1 20:41:01 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Thu May 1 21:37:45 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Packaging Etoys for other platforms Message-ID: Hello, We've been delaying the action a bit, but we have been making the Etoys distribution for non-XO Linux, Mac, and Windows. Now our team got some traction and trying to package it up sometime soon. The package will be based on the latest OLPC Etoys image, but with some different settings and preferences, basically. (We'll soon make an early access versions.) The version that will be distributed from the Squeakland web site will be this version; so that the Etoys users on XO and Etoys users on other platforms can send compatible projects. We would like to include good translations in the package that makes sense to do so. Some languages require additional fonts, or different settings. For these languages, the community should consider to make a re-packaged version with some modifications. (The Japanese community, for example, has been doing this successfuly for several years.) At the same time, for languages like German, the community has been doing great to keep up with the translation effort. (Even with unfortunate glitches!) And it doesn't need too different settings from English one, it is a good candidate to include. For the non-XO environments, these are typically at schools and they often cannot easily update files once installed. So, we decided to make a package that is intended not to be updated often. ... So, if you like to get your language translations included in the package for non-XO environments, please try to update the translations in "a few weeks". (This is what VPRI does so may not be able to deliver on time as promised, but we are trying.) Thank you! -- Yoshiki (Later on, we might work on some incremental updater but not this time.) For the OLPC XO, we are planning to revise the image and translations and release new versions relatively frequently. There will be deadlines like Update.2, so we try to provide better versions for them. That includes new translations. From palexa at gmail.com Sat May 3 01:48:28 2008 From: palexa at gmail.com (Paula Alexandra Gomes da Silva) Date: Sat May 3 02:07:21 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Linking projects Message-ID: Hi, Is there a way to link projects together? Or to make a link to a project from within another project. Kinda like hyperlinks in web pages? Thx a lot palexa -- Paula Alexandra Silva http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~palexa/ http://dme.uma.pt/pt/people/faculty/Paula.Alexandra.Silva.html From hilaire at ofset.org Sun May 4 00:55:38 2008 From: hilaire at ofset.org (Hilaire Fernandes) Date: Sun May 4 01:32:33 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Some thought about Operational thinking and Squeak Message-ID: <7ac6e0530805040055y25a797a6j8c8f8676080f247f@mail.gmail.com> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire/index.php?post/2008/05/01/Operational-thinking Hilaire -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire From is.valente at gmail.com Tue May 6 05:58:28 2008 From: is.valente at gmail.com (Valente Teixeira) Date: Tue May 6 06:06:58 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] How to remove a language item from menu Squeakland Message-ID: I'm using the latest Squeak 3.9 and got a duplicate language item from menu (Configuration > set language). I loaded a .translation file for Portuguese and after that I made some corrections directly using the squeak language editor. Then I saved the file and loaded it again, later. Now, I have two new items in the "set language" menu, both Portuguese. I want to remove one of them but I don't know how to do. Some help will be great. Thanks, Luis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080506/aa7291= 8f/attachment.htm From yoshiki at vpri.org Wed May 7 17:24:39 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Wed May 7 20:35:01 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] How to remove a language item from menu Squeakland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luis, > I'm using the latest Squeak 3.9 and got a duplicate language item from menu (Configuration > set language). I loaded a > .translation file for Portuguese and after that I made some corrections directly using the squeak language editor. > Then I saved the file and loaded it again, later. Now, I have two new items in the "set language" menu, both Portuguese. > I want to remove one of them but I don't know how to do. For doing Etoys, I recommend to use the squeakland version or the OLPC version. And, it is a bit hard to say, but questions in regards to Squeak 3.9, 3.10, and 3.11 etc. should be sent to the squeak-dev list. -- Yoshiki From merik at mac.com Thu May 8 01:35:14 2008 From: merik at mac.com (Merik Voswinkel) Date: Thu May 8 05:43:57 2008 Subject: [squeakland] Etoys scripting broken on Mac OS X Leopard: drag and drop into script holder script? Message-ID: <3C77FFE6-C7EB-4902-88B2-B5012ACCD341@mac.com> Since a few months I can not create tile scripts in Etoys anymore. I can drag a tile from a viewer and drop it anywhere and a new script holder appears around my dropped tile. But when I drag a second tile (script phrase) from the viewer and hover over the script holder no insertion point appears. When I drop the tile on top of the script holder it does not get embedded but becomes a seperate tile on the background/desktop. No attempt to put it into the script holder works, When I use the halo I can see that the script holder does excepts drops.The second tile could also gets no new script holder around it, no mater where I drop it, I tried it on the Squeakland (browser plugin) (version 3.0), I downloaded the XO image and also tried it on a regular squeak 3.9 image but nowhere do I get it to work. I use Mac OS X Leopard on a fast G5 Quad so maybe therein lies the problem? It took me a few months to post this because I thought it had something to do with my Universel Access settings on Leopard that was interfering with drag and drop elsewhere in Mac OS X like the finder. But no, I have reinstalled a clean Leopard and the problem still exists. This effectively makes Etoys (and Kedama) unusable so I think it should be resolved. Where to look for a solution? Has anybody heard about this problem before? Merik From yoshiki at vpri.org Thu May 8 23:06:26 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Fri May 9 08:08:41 2008 Subject: [squeakland] Etoys scripting broken on Mac OS X Leopard: drag and drop into script holder script? In-Reply-To: <3C77FFE6-C7EB-4902-88B2-B5012ACCD341@mac.com> References: <3C77FFE6-C7EB-4902-88B2-B5012ACCD341@mac.com> Message-ID: Merik, > Since a few months I can not create tile scripts in Etoys anymore. I > can drag a tile from a viewer and drop it anywhere and a new script > holder appears around my dropped tile. But when I drag a second tile > (script phrase) from the viewer and hover over the script holder no > insertion point appears. The second tile wasn't a variable reference, yes? If it was, the scriptor wouldn't take it as it is not a command or assignment. If your first tile and the second tiles are the "forward by" command tiles, what happens? And, when you say a new script holder, that is the one with yellow exclamation mark button and script name and, etc. where you edit the script, yes? Let us call it a script editor. (In the later version of OLPC Etoys, we introduced a different thing called ScriptingTileHolder that wraps a naked tile.) > When I drop the tile on top of the script holder it does not get > embedded but becomes a seperate tile on the background/desktop. > No attempt to put it into the script holder works, Unless you get the green drop zone, the script editor won't accept the dropped tile. > When I use the halo I can see that the script holder does excepts > drops.The second tile could also gets no new script holder around it, > no mater where I drop it, How did you check if the "script holder expects (?) drops"? > I tried it on the Squeakland (browser plugin) (version 3.0), I > downloaded the XO image and also tried it on a regular squeak 3.9 > image but nowhere do I get it to work. What do you mean by "download the XO image and also tried it on a regular squeak 3.9 image"? You tried it on the XO image and Squeak 3.9 image? > I use Mac OS X Leopard on a fast G5 Quad so maybe therein lies the > problem? > > It took me a few months to post this because I thought it had > something to do with my Universel Access settings on Leopard that was > interfering with drag and drop elsewhere in Mac OS X like the finder. > But no, I have reinstalled a clean Leopard and the problem still exists. Etoys' UI is completely independent from the platform. > This effectively makes Etoys (and Kedama) unusable so I think it > should be resolved. > Where to look for a solution? > Has anybody heard about this problem before? From your description, it is very hard to see what was actually going on, but I would think that there is some simpler misunderstanding like trying to drop a value reference onto the place where the script editor expects a command or an assignment. You don't have to try different images or such. In whatever image, please explain us what you exactly did. -- Yoshiki From merik at mac.com Sun May 11 08:08:34 2008 From: merik at mac.com (Merik Voswinkel) Date: Sun May 11 12:53:35 2008 Subject: [squeakland] Etoys scripting broken on Mac OS X Leopard: drag and drop into script holder script? In-Reply-To: References: <3C77FFE6-C7EB-4902-88B2-B5012ACCD341@mac.com> Message-ID: <476C626B-A517-4C23-ADAE-14FAEE786D5B@mac.com> Hi Yoshiki, On May 9, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > Merik, > >> Since a few months I can not create tile scripts in Etoys anymore. I >> can drag a tile from a viewer and drop it anywhere and a new script >> holder appears around my dropped tile. But when I drag a second tile >> (script phrase) from the viewer and hover over the script holder no >> insertion point appears. > > The second tile wasn't a variable reference, yes? If it was, the > scriptor wouldn't take it as it is not a command or assignment. I am ashamed to admit it was! Skip the rest of my answers if you do not care about how this confusion came about. I now see there are at least three types, the commands like "turtle1's forward by", a assignment "turtle1's x" with a purple left-arrow in it and an viewer/assignment like "turtle1's angleTo". The second tile I was attempting to drop was "turtle1's angleTo" and that still does not work, but I now see that it is intended behavior, not broken. > If your first tile and the second tiles are the "forward by" command > tiles, what happens? Than it accepts the second tile by showing the insertion point during drag/hover and it accepts a drop. It also accepts the assignment "turtle1's x" with a purple left-arrow in it IF we pick it up with the arrow. I still can not drag and drop "turtle1's angleTo" but I now think the kids will figure that out why. So nothing broken, the problem was confusion on my part. Actually the children I am helping who run into the 'problem', but I should have done my homework better before asking. > And, when you say a new script holder, that is the one with yellow > exclamation mark button and script name and, etc. where you edit the > script, yes? Let us call it a script editor. (In the later version > of OLPC Etoys, we introduced a different thing called > ScriptingTileHolder that wraps a naked tile.) Yes, we are both talking about a script editor. >> When I drop the tile on top of the script holder it does not get >> embedded but becomes a seperate tile on the background/desktop. >> No attempt to put it into the script holder works, > > Unless you get the green drop zone, the script editor won't accept > the dropped tile. Yes, a dark green drop zone on the light green script editor background. > > >> When I use the halo I can see that the script holder does excepts >> drops.The second tile could also gets no new script holder around it, >> no mater where I drop it, > > How did you check if the "script holder expects (?) drops"? I looked in the halo menu 'accepts drops'. >> I tried it on the Squeakland (browser plugin) (version 3.0), I >> downloaded the XO image and also tried it on a regular squeak 3.9 >> image but nowhere do I get it to work. > > What do you mean by "download the XO image and also tried > it on a regular squeak 3.9 image"? You tried it on the XO image and > Squeak 3.9 image? Yes, on several images. > > >> I use Mac OS X Leopard on a fast G5 Quad so maybe therein lies the >> problem? >> >> It took me a few months to post this because I thought it had >> something to do with my Universel Access settings on Leopard that was >> interfering with drag and drop elsewhere in Mac OS X like the finder. >> But no, I have reinstalled a clean Leopard and the problem still >> exists. > > Etoys' UI is completely independent from the platform. Ok. We did have those nasty problems with Universal Access interfering with other modifiers of mouse behaviors however. This was hard to track down and took a lot of time, but not related to Etoys of course. In that process I tested drag and drop of tiles in Etoys so many times (without wanting to actually program anything in Etoys, the children where doing that) that I was not thinking about the possibility of different types of tiles with different drop behaviors. So when I returned to the problems months later I was careless and did not think at all about different behaviors, just tested the drops and seeing that there was no drop zone and no embedding, totally ignoring the logic of the interface. And then I wrote tis post, thinking it still that same Universal Access problem. >> This effectively makes Etoys (and Kedama) unusable so I think it >> should be resolved. >> Where to look for a solution? >> Has anybody heard about this problem before? > > From your description, it is very hard to see what was actually > going on, but I would think that there is some simpler > misunderstanding like trying to drop a value reference onto the place > where the script editor expects a command or an assignment. Yes, you are right. I hope I clarified some of it. Thank you very much on your time. Merik From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon May 12 18:49:10 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Tue May 13 00:59:31 2008 Subject: [squeakland] Etoys scripting broken on Mac OS X Leopard: drag and drop into script holder script? In-Reply-To: <476C626B-A517-4C23-ADAE-14FAEE786D5B@mac.com> References: <3C77FFE6-C7EB-4902-88B2-B5012ACCD341@mac.com> <476C626B-A517-4C23-ADAE-14FAEE786D5B@mac.com> Message-ID: > Skip the rest of my answers if you do not care about how this > confusion came about. Well, now I can't skip... > > Etoys' UI is completely independent from the platform. > > Ok. > We did have those nasty problems with Universal Access interfering > with other > modifiers of mouse behaviors however. This was hard to track down and > took > a lot of time, but not related to Etoys of course. > In that process I tested drag and drop of tiles in Etoys so many times > (without > wanting to actually program anything in Etoys, the children where > doing that) > that I was not thinking about the possibility of different types of > tiles with different drop behaviors. > So when I returned to the problems months later I was careless and did > not think > at all about different behaviors, just tested the drops and seeing > that there was > no drop zone and no embedding, totally ignoring the logic of the > interface. > And then I wrote tis post, thinking it still that same Universal > Access problem. Not sure what you mean by Universal Access interfere (something like lockable Shift key?) One could argue that a plain expression could be dropped onto a script editor, and the user could expand it into a meaningful statement afterwards. But current system is not flexible enough to allow this. -- Yoshiki From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon May 12 19:34:22 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Tue May 13 00:59:31 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Another experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments Message-ID: Hello, We've been doing this on and off, but we put together another set of files that could be an Etoys system downloaded from squeakland.org as the official new version. This time, it is closer. Please download: http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/Squeakland-OLPC-080512.zip and unpack it. And, on Windows XP or Vista, nagivate to "etoys.app" folder and double click etoys.exe to launch it. On Macintosh, double click "etoys.app". On Linux, execute etoys.sh. Thank you! -- Yoshiki From korakurider at gmail.com Mon May 12 22:19:57 2008 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Tue May 13 00:59:31 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] Another experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0805122219x523a8456nbf9ed3c1c5b32c8c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/08, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > Hello, > > We've been doing this on and off, but we put together another set of > files that could be an Etoys system downloaded from squeakland.org as > the official new version. This time, it is closer. > > Please download: > > http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/Squeakland-OLPC-080512.zip > > and unpack it. And, on Windows XP or Vista, nagivate to "etoys.app" > folder and double click etoys.exe to launch it. On Macintosh, double > click "etoys.app". On Linux, execute etoys.sh. For the records, in the version of windows vm bundled, there is not-yet-annouced-widely useful enhancement to trunk version. (I think we want to merge them to trunk and document it at squeakvm site) . That can expand some variables in SecureDirectory/UserDirectory settings in etoys.ini : + %MYDOCUMENTS% will be expanded to actual "My Documents" directory for current user. + Environment variables in SecureDirectory setting can be expanded now. Bundled etoys.ini would be good starting point to learn the functionality. Yoshiki, The version of VM bundled have a known problem : %MYDOCUMENT% is expanded with backslash terminated. (I think Squeak part should handle it appropriately) I came to know it seems fixed in the latest stuff on svn/installers when I built plugin installer by myself and test it last night. You might want to check it out. Cheers, /Korakurider From yoshiki at vpri.org Tue May 13 01:24:11 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Tue May 13 08:24:29 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] Another experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments In-Reply-To: <75eb0b0e0805122219x523a8456nbf9ed3c1c5b32c8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <75eb0b0e0805122219x523a8456nbf9ed3c1c5b32c8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > For the records, in the version of windows vm bundled, there is > not-yet-annouced-widely useful enhancement to trunk version. > (I think we want to merge them to trunk and document it at squeakvm > site) . That can expand some variables in > SecureDirectory/UserDirectory settings in etoys.ini : > > + %MYDOCUMENTS% will be expanded to actual "My Documents" directory > for current user. > + Environment variables in SecureDirectory setting can be expanded now. > > Bundled etoys.ini would be good starting point to learn the functionality. Yes. Thank you for pointing it out. I think that the latter is in the SVN tree on squeakvm.org, but not the former. > Yoshiki, > The version of VM bundled have a known problem : > %MYDOCUMENT% is expanded with backslash terminated. > (I think Squeak part should handle it appropriately) > I came to know it seems fixed in the latest stuff on svn/installers > when I built plugin installer by myself and test it last night. You > might want to check it out. These two binaries are exactly same as far as I can tell with the "cmp" command. Can I cause an error case in some way? -- Yoshiki From korakurider at gmail.com Wed May 14 12:11:45 2008 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Wed May 14 12:21:47 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] Another experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments In-Reply-To: References: <75eb0b0e0805122219x523a8456nbf9ed3c1c5b32c8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0805141211x1e892be0nc5ca7c3c5b58ec73@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/08, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > > For the records, in the version of windows vm bundled, there is > > not-yet-annouced-widely useful enhancement to trunk version. > > (I think we want to merge them to trunk and document it at squeakvm > > site) . That can expand some variables in > > SecureDirectory/UserDirectory settings in etoys.ini : > > > > + %MYDOCUMENTS% will be expanded to actual "My Documents" directory > > for current user. > > + Environment variables in SecureDirectory setting can be expanded now. > > > > Bundled etoys.ini would be good starting point to learn the functionality. > > Yes. Thank you for pointing it out. I think that the latter is in > the SVN tree on squeakvm.org, but not the former. I mean that traditional squeak.exe win32 vm don't have the enhancement. The enhancement has been commited to trunk about 4weeks ago. And we can know exact version of etoys.exe only by binary compare with other from known source ;-), that is problem, I think. > > > Yoshiki, > > The version of VM bundled have a known problem : > > %MYDOCUMENT% is expanded with backslash terminated. > > (I think Squeak part should handle it appropriately) > > I came to know it seems fixed in the latest stuff on svn/installers > > when I built plugin installer by myself and test it last night. You > > might want to check it out. > > These two binaries are exactly same as far as I can tell with the > "cmp" command. Can I cause an error case in some way? ok, I believe you :-) I can't reproduce the error on font loading, but I saw another instance tonight (error on accessing resource map). I am trying to make case right now. /Korakurider From andreas.raab at gmx.de Wed May 14 13:14:06 2008 From: andreas.raab at gmx.de (Andreas Raab) Date: Wed May 14 14:49:50 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] Another experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments In-Reply-To: <75eb0b0e0805141211x1e892be0nc5ca7c3c5b58ec73@mail.gmail.com> References: <75eb0b0e0805122219x523a8456nbf9ed3c1c5b32c8c@mail.gmail.com> <75eb0b0e0805141211x1e892be0nc5ca7c3c5b58ec73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482B480E.9050001@gmx.de> Korakurider wrote: > I mean that traditional squeak.exe win32 vm don't have the enhancement. > The enhancement has been commited to trunk about 4weeks ago. > And we can know exact version of etoys.exe only by binary compare > with other from known source ;-), that is problem, I think. Easy: "Smalltalk getSystemAttribute: 1006" will tell you the unique build string for each VM. This should be enough to distinguish the VMs. Cheers, - Andreas From korakurider at gmail.com Wed May 14 18:48:38 2008 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Wed May 14 21:00:28 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] Another experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments In-Reply-To: <482B480E.9050001@gmx.de> References: <75eb0b0e0805122219x523a8456nbf9ed3c1c5b32c8c@mail.gmail.com> <75eb0b0e0805141211x1e892be0nc5ca7c3c5b58ec73@mail.gmail.com> <482B480E.9050001@gmx.de> Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0805141848i1a85cb32m6ee52e336cf8f21d@mail.gmail.com> On 5/15/08, Andreas Raab wrote: > Korakurider wrote: > > I mean that traditional squeak.exe win32 vm don't have the > enhancement. > > The enhancement has been commited to trunk about 4weeks ago. > > And we can know exact version of etoys.exe only by binary compare > > with other from known source ;-), that is problem, I think. > > > > Easy: "Smalltalk getSystemAttribute: 1006" will tell you the unique build > string for each VM. This should be enough to distinguish the VMs. > Yes the method could replace binary compare. But the string returned by the vm bundled: 'Win32 built on Apr 28 2008 15:55:28 Compiler: 2.95.2 19991024 (release)' gives almost no interestring to users other than the developer who actually built the vm. I tend to love to see some version number that is annouced, and tagging in svn tree or actual small documentation describing what is changed in the version. even declaring just renaming of the specific version of stock win32 vm is much better than no writing. /Korakurider From youngjin.michael at gmail.com Thu May 15 18:15:33 2008 From: youngjin.michael at gmail.com (Young-Jin Lee) Date: Thu May 15 21:58:45 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Problem launching eToy project Message-ID: <9a2a73210805151815i3720705eibc742a0dbefeea4a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am recently experiencing a problem launching eToy project using a Web browser. For example, when I click on the " http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.squeakland.org/fun_project= s/kedama/examples/ants2.pr" which is a Web link for the Ants Kedama example available at the Squeakland.org, I got a blank Web page. Is there anyone having this problem? Can anyone explain how to solve it. Thanks in advance. Young-Jin Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080515/6e6eb8= 4e/attachment.htm From dhess-list-squeakland at bothan.net Fri May 16 01:33:42 2008 From: dhess-list-squeakland at bothan.net (Drew Hess) Date: Fri May 16 02:06:36 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Constructionist schools in San Francisco Message-ID: Hi, I'm a computer scientist who'd like to see constructionism at work in the classroom. Can anyone point me to schools, clubs or other organizations in the San Francisco area where Etoys, Croquet or other constructionist environments are actively being used? I'd like to observe, if that's possible; I'm considering becoming an educator, inspired by Seymour's and Alan's visions, and I'm curious to see how close we are to those ideals. thanks! d -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It highly depends on the variation of platform (like what flavor of Windows, or Mac, or Linux) and what Web browser you use. Can you tell us a bit more? On Windows Vista and IE7, or Windows XP, I think it works, for example. -- Yoshiki From karlramberg at gmail.com Sat May 17 12:32:22 2008 From: karlramberg at gmail.com (Karl Ramberg) Date: Sat May 17 13:08:45 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Constructionist schools in San Francisco In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <482F32C6.6070909@gmail.com> Drew Hess wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a computer scientist who'd like to see constructionism at work in > the classroom. Can anyone point me to schools, clubs or other > organizations in the San Francisco area where Etoys, Croquet or other > constructionist environments are actively being used? I'd like to > observe, if that's possible; I'm considering becoming an educator, > inspired by Seymour's and Alan's visions, and I'm curious to see how > close we are to those ideals. There is a mail list called olpc-sf that should be local to you, and people there maybe have some info http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sf Karl From dhess-list-squeakland at bothan.net Sat May 17 12:41:44 2008 From: dhess-list-squeakland at bothan.net (Drew Hess) Date: Sat May 17 13:08:46 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Constructionist schools in San Francisco In-Reply-To: <482F32C6.6070909@gmail.com> (Karl Ramberg's message of "Sat\, 17 May 2008 21\:32\:22 +0200") References: <482F32C6.6070909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karl Ramberg writes: > There is a mail list called olpc-sf that should be local to you, and > people there maybe have some info > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sf Hi Karl, Thanks. I'm already on that list, and I haven't seen any mention of constructionist schools, but I'll try posting my query there, anyway. d -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Young-Jin On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland@squeakland.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request@squeakland.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner@squeakland.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Problem launching eToy project (Yoshiki Ohshima) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:04:46 -0700 > From: Yoshiki Ohshima > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Problem launching eToy project > To: squeakland@squeakland.org > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII > > Young-Jin, > > > I am recently experiencing a problem launching eToy project using a Web > browser. > > For example, when I click on the " > http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.squeakland.org/fun_proje= cts/kedama/ > > examples/ants2.pr " which is a Web link for the Ants Kedama example > available at the Squeakland.org, I got a blank Web > > page. > > > > Is there anyone having this problem? > > Can anyone explain how to solve it. > > It highly depends on the variation of platform (like what flavor of > Windows, or Mac, or Linux) and what Web browser you use. Can you tell us= a > bit more? > > On Windows Vista and IE7, or Windows XP, I think it works, for example. > > -- Yoshiki > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > End of Squeakland Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 > ****************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080517/b1ae5f= a7/attachment.htm From seagate92 at wlink.com.np Mon May 19 03:37:25 2008 From: seagate92 at wlink.com.np (SeaGate Institute of Technology) Date: Mon May 19 03:38:23 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak for Teachers Message-ID: <000601c8b99c$58b542d0$0a1fc870$@com.np> Hi Squeakers, We are thinking of organizing a workshop on "Squeak for School Teachers" for two days in near future. If you have a plan to come to Kathmandu, Nepal, you can share your knowledge among our teachers. And through this, we wish to introduce Squeak in Schools. Kindly let me know your availability. Best regards, Yogesh Shrestha Coordinator From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon May 19 09:05:51 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Mon May 19 11:51:33 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: Squeakland Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <9a2a73210805171255l165023f5k93ad9b8810f7348a@mail.gmail.com> References: <482f2b3e.3bf5220a.08c0.4e5cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <9a2a73210805171255l165023f5k93ad9b8810f7348a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Young-Jin, > I am using a Mac (v. 10.5.2) along with a FireFox (v. 2.0.0.14). Ah, I won't be able test it by myself (for a while). Does anybody confirm the issue on similar combination? The squeakland site seems to indicate that it would work, but the supported browser page seems to be out of date a bit, too. -- Yoshiki From yoshiki at vpri.org Sun May 25 18:12:56 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Sun May 25 20:35:44 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish Message-ID: Hello, I came back from an OLPC event held in Cambridge, MA and saw a lot of people from Latin America countries. Uruguay and Peru are officially deploying hundreds of thousands of XO laptops, and other countries are trying to do similar or smaller scale pilot test. The "vibe" (as Alan wrote) or the feeling of "making progress" was very strong. During the event, I was asked a lot of times about documentation in Spanish. I know there are bunch of documentation done in Spanish (in Latin America and in Spain), but I couldn't point out many of them by myself. I merely managed to point to the translation of the Powerful Ideas book but that was it. I think it would be nice to have a place to share these documentations, and have a single location to look at. Let us say if we have a good "documentation and curriculum" section on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys/lang-es, and people who have done documentations in Spanish add theirs to it, that would be nice. If you think it is a good idea, please start the section on the wiki and add the documentations? I will later check the page and let the people who are doing deployment and contents making in these countries know about it. Thank you! -- Yoshiki From pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch Mon May 26 03:07:32 2008 From: pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dreyfuss_Pierre-Andr=E9_=28EDU=29?=) Date: Mon May 26 08:02:31 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, v-toys for OLPC are available at: http://community.ofset.org/index.php/V-toys_international You'll find some documentation and tutorials on the same page. V-toys is a visual scripting system compatible with Etoys. Easier for beginners and international in the sense that tiles are identified by icons instead of text. It was presented at the c5 conference in Poitiers http://uptv.univ-poitiers.fr/web/canal/61/theme/54/manif/168/index.html Help balloons in English will help using the tiles and explain what kind of parameter is needed. I am translating now 'Etiquettes actives' (active labels) which is an easier way for programming to very beginners. You can see and download the french version at: http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Etiquettes_actives. Watch the list: Other projects are coming: Examples of Projects mixing DRGeo and E-toys. An Expert system (forward chaining.) Written in Smalltalk, it is working but I have to build the interface for the use with v-toys. It is already working in a project for driving a tic tac toe game and in a project making deductions about figures of DrGeo. Best regards From kim.rose at vpri.org Mon May 26 08:29:28 2008 From: kim.rose at vpri.org (Kim Rose) Date: Mon May 26 14:11:54 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yoshiki, There is an excellent list of books in Spanish on the "Squeakoplis site" here: (Perhaps this is the same place you found the "Powerful Ideas" book, though?) http://squeak.educarex.es/Squeakpolis/38 -- Kim On May 25, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > Hello, > > I came back from an OLPC event held in Cambridge, MA and saw a lot > of people from Latin America countries. Uruguay and Peru are > officially deploying hundreds of thousands of XO laptops, and other > countries are trying to do similar or smaller scale pilot test. The > "vibe" (as Alan wrote) or the feeling of "making progress" was very > strong. > > During the event, I was asked a lot of times about documentation in > Spanish. I know there are bunch of documentation done in Spanish (in > Latin America and in Spain), but I couldn't point out many of them by > myself. I merely managed to point to the translation of the Powerful > Ideas book but that was it. > > I think it would be nice to have a place to share these > documentations, and have a single location to look at. Let us say if > we have a good "documentation and curriculum" section on > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys/lang-es, and people who have done > documentations in Spanish add theirs to it, that would be nice. > > If you think it is a good idea, please start the section on the wiki > and add the documentations? I will later check the page and let the > people who are doing deployment and contents making in these countries > know about it. > > Thank you! > > -- Yoshiki > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon May 26 12:54:05 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Mon May 26 14:11:54 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for the information. I edited the English page (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys) and made a section for Spanish documentation. Please add more, and update the Spanish page as well! (There should be tons of more Etoys related documentation. Or, perhaps linking to the presentations done at past SqueakFests might be good.) -- Yoshiki From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch Mon May 26 07:13:47 2008 From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=) Date: Tue May 27 02:02:39 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73F9E30D-1D8A-4A66-BEEA-85043AC05F39@iam.unibe.ch> Excellent. I really hope that these kids will really learned a lot! For BotsInc I'm aware of a private spanish translation. I'm still trying to negociate to get the rights for the book. For squeakbyexample, I do not know the status of the translation. Stef On May 26, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > Hello, > > I came back from an OLPC event held in Cambridge, MA and saw a lot > of people from Latin America countries. Uruguay and Peru are > officially deploying hundreds of thousands of XO laptops, and other > countries are trying to do similar or smaller scale pilot test. The > "vibe" (as Alan wrote) or the feeling of "making progress" was very > strong. > > During the event, I was asked a lot of times about documentation in > Spanish. I know there are bunch of documentation done in Spanish (in > Latin America and in Spain), but I couldn't point out many of them by > myself. I merely managed to point to the translation of the Powerful > Ideas book but that was it. > > I think it would be nice to have a place to share these > documentations, and have a single location to look at. Let us say if > we have a good "documentation and curriculum" section on > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys/lang-es, and people who have done > documentations in Spanish add theirs to it, that would be nice. > > If you think it is a good idea, please start the section on the wiki > and add the documentations? I will later check the page and let the > people who are doing deployment and contents making in these countries > know about it. > > Thank you! > > -- Yoshiki > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From offray.luna at javeriana.edu.co Tue May 27 07:17:19 2008 From: offray.luna at javeriana.edu.co (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Offray_Vladimir_Luna_C=E1rdenas?=) Date: Tue May 27 08:07:55 2008 Subject: [Etoys] [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: <73F9E30D-1D8A-4A66-BEEA-85043AC05F39@iam.unibe.ch> References: <73F9E30D-1D8A-4A66-BEEA-85043AC05F39@iam.unibe.ch> Message-ID: <483C17EF.1040200@javeriana.edu.co> Hi all, st?phane ducasse escribi?: > Excellent. > I really hope that these kids will really learned a lot! > For BotsInc I'm aware of a private spanish translation. I'm still > trying to negociate to get the > rights for the book. > Please, tell us when you get it back. I'm using your book with my students, but having a free/open version would be very helpful. > For squeakbyexample, I do not know the status of the translation. > We have finished the first chapter and preamble, but until mid-year vacations will not be much advances. I will keep you posted in this Spanish Squeak related pages in our FLOSS community wiki: * http://www.el-directorio.org/SqueakMedianteEjemplos <-- For Squeak By Example translation related info. * http://www.el-directorio.org/Squeak <-- An intro to Squeak. * http://www.el-directorio.org/Squeak/Enlaces <-- Links with information about Squeak (education, programming, GUI, etc) * http://www.el-directorio.org/CategorySqueak <-- List all the pages in the Squeak category: people, blogs, related projects: plopp, croquet and so on. I really hope to have more of the translation in the first days of July. Cheers, Offray From yoshiki at vpri.org Tue May 27 10:14:17 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Tue May 27 12:28:01 2008 Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At Mon, 26 May 2008 23:08:31 +0200, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > Yoshiki Ohshima a ?crit : > > Thank you for the information. > > > > I edited the English page (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys) and made > > a section for Spanish documentation. Please add more, and update the > > Spanish page as well! (There should be tons of more Etoys related > > documentation. Or, perhaps linking to the presentations done at past > > SqueakFests might be good.) > > > > I add also a section about french documentation. That is good. Senegal, some other African countries, and for some extent Haiti will benefit from it. -- Yoshiki From jdelgado at lsi.upc.edu Tue May 27 12:54:03 2008 From: jdelgado at lsi.upc.edu (Jordi Delgado) Date: Tue May 27 13:03:32 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: <200805271900.m4RJ0PBt003152@dagon.lsi.upc.edu> References: <200805271900.m4RJ0PBt003152@dagon.lsi.upc.edu> Message-ID: <20080527195403.GA21693@entropia.lsi.upc.edu> Hi, > Excellent. > I really hope that these kids will really learned a lot! > For BotsInc I'm aware of a private spanish translation. I'm still > trying to negociate to get the > rights for the book. Er... Stef, if you mean the translation I am doing, it is a translation to catalan, not to spanish. Not that the two languages are a lot different, but they are different languages. You know, like french and spanish, or portuguese and spanish. BTW, I am finishing the final index, so in two or three weeks I'll have a publishable first draft of the entire book. If you do *not* mean my translation, it would be nice to collaborate in a spanish translation, provided it is underway... > For squeakbyexample, I do not know the status of the translation. It looks like Offray has already started the translation. As soon as I finish with the BotsInc book, I'll start to collaborate with them in the spanish translation of SBE. However, I do not see it finished anytime soon (not before the summer) unless we find more collaborators. Bests, Jordi From seagate92 at wlink.com.np Wed May 28 23:49:58 2008 From: seagate92 at wlink.com.np (SeaGate Institute of Technology) Date: Wed May 28 00:28:58 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Support for workshop Message-ID: <003901c8c158$38592bf0$a90b83d0$@com.np> Dear Kim, We plan to organize one a workshop for about 90 participants from 30 schools. I wonder whether Viewpoints Research Institute may support the program by providing Squeak Books and DVDs for the participants. Your support will be well appreciated. Best regards, Madhur From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch Wed May 28 06:07:26 2008 From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=) Date: Wed May 28 06:10:27 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: <20080527195403.GA21693@entropia.lsi.upc.edu> References: <200805271900.m4RJ0PBt003152@dagon.lsi.upc.edu> <20080527195403.GA21693@entropia.lsi.upc.edu> Message-ID: Argh I thought it was spanish :) I'm waiting for an answer from the publisher I contacted him again. Stef > Hi, > >> Excellent. >> I really hope that these kids will really learned a lot! >> For BotsInc I'm aware of a private spanish translation. I'm still >> trying to negociate to get the >> rights for the book. > > Er... Stef, if you mean the translation I am doing, it is a > translation > to catalan, not to spanish. Not that the two languages are a lot > different, > but they are different languages. You know, like french and spanish, > or portuguese and spanish. > BTW, I am finishing the final index, so in two or three weeks I'll > have a > publishable first draft of the entire book. > > If you do *not* mean my translation, it would be nice to collaborate > in a spanish translation, provided it is underway... > >> For squeakbyexample, I do not know the status of the translation. > > It looks like Offray has already started the translation. As soon as > I finish with the BotsInc book, I'll start to collaborate with them in > the spanish translation of SBE. However, I do not see it finished > anytime > soon (not before the summer) unless we find more collaborators. > > Bests, > > Jordi > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From japuzzo at gmail.com Fri May 30 08:32:07 2008 From: japuzzo at gmail.com (Joe Apuzzo) Date: Fri May 30 12:27:21 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Upcoming talk Message-ID: <48401DF7.4000102@gmail.com> I will be giving a talk this coming Wednesday (www.mhvlug.org) http://news.squeak.org/2008/05/24/new-yorkers-chance-to-see-squeak-based-education-tools/ I'm working up my slides and I will be using the latest squeakland/etoys build to demo. I've done the "car" demo ( mastered that) and also can demo the "car on a track". But does anyone have any suggestions for math and science? aka something that I can build on the fly and show a topic that a Middle School or High School teacher would do in class? Thanks Joe Apuzzo Gnu_Joe From socinian at gmail.com Fri May 30 12:41:50 2008 From: socinian at gmail.com (Darius Clarke) Date: Fri May 30 17:50:51 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Upcoming talk In-Reply-To: <48401DF7.4000102@gmail.com> References: <48401DF7.4000102@gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you done the acceleration demo like in B.J. Allen-Conn & Kim Rose's "Powerful Ideas in the Classroom" book and demoed on the "Squeakers" DVD and a bit in Alan's TED Talk? TED Talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/228 Also, middle schoolers study angles. That might be an easy one to create one yourself. Cheers, Darius On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Joe Apuzzo wrote: > I will be giving a talk this coming Wednesday (www.mhvlug.org) > > http://news.squeak.org/2008/05/24/new-yorkers-chance-to-see-squeak-based-= education-tools/ > > I'm working up my slides and I will be using the latest squeakland/etoys > build to demo. > I've done the "car" demo ( mastered that) and also can demo the "car on > a track". > But does anyone have any suggestions for math and science? aka something > that > I can build on the fly and show a topic that a Middle School or High > School teacher > would do in class? > > Thanks > > Joe Apuzzo > Gnu_Joe > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080530/15c553= c8/attachment.htm