From japuzzo at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 06:23:40 2008 From: japuzzo at gmail.com (Joe Apuzzo) Date: Sun Jun 1 07:42:05 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Upcoming talk Message-ID: <4842A2DC.8090201@gmail.com> Thanks for all the suggestions I will be using something from everyone who replayed. I did look at all the video of Alan Kay that people pointed me to. So now I have this idea of creating my slides within Squeak! so that within the slide itself I can demo eToys one by one. Also then people can download the image and actually play with the morphs demoed. So..... what image should I uses as the base? What image has the most/best eToys Morphs? (along with all the OLPC projects) Joe Apuzzo Gnu_Joe www.mhvlug.org From innovationcreation at gmail.com Sun Jun 1 10:03:29 2008 From: innovationcreation at gmail.com (john blue) Date: Sun Jun 1 10:08:42 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: squeakland.org mailing list memberships reminder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI, interesting conversation on This Week In Tech's Floss weekly: FLOSS Weekly 29 (http://twit.tv/floss29), Randal Schwartz and Leo Laporte chat with Dan Ingalls, Smalltalk and Squeak co-creator, on Xerox PARC, Apple, and the Lively Kernel. If you have not had a chance, look at what Lively can do (http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/). Best to launch a Safari 3.x browser with Lively page (http://research.sun.com/projects/lively/index.xhtml). -- John Blue Truffle Media Networks Podcasting With A Purpose 5802 Petersburg Parkway Indianapolis, IN 46254 USA TruffleMedia.com jlblue@TruffleMedia.com 317-450-1958 (8:30am - 5pm EDT, Monday thru Friday) (mobile and main) What the heck is "innovation" anyway? => InnovationCreation.US Subscribe to RSS feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/InnovationCreation LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnblue FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/johnblue From pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch Sun Jun 1 15:04:39 2008 From: pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dreyfuss_Pierre-Andr=E9_=28EDU=29?=) Date: Sun Jun 1 15:11:09 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] v-toys for OLPC References: Message-ID: Hi, v-toys for OLPC are available at: http://community.ofset.org/index.php/V-toys_international You'll find some documentation and tutorials on the same page. V-toys is a visual scripting system compatible with Etoys. Easier for beginners and international in the sense that tiles are identified by icons instead of text. It was presented at the c5 conference in Poitiers http://uptv.univ-poitiers.fr/web/canal/61/theme/54/manif/168/index.html Help balloons in English will help using the tiles and explain what kind of parameter is needed. I am translating now 'Etiquettes actives' (active labels) which is an easier way for programming to very beginners. You can see and download the french version at: http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Etiquettes_actives . Watch the list: Other projects are coming: Examples of Projects mixing DRGeo and E-toys. An Expert system (forward chaining.) Written in Smalltalk, it is working but I have to build the interface for the use with v-toys. It is already working in a project for driving a tic tac toe game and in a project making deductions about figures of DrGeo. Best regards ________________________________ De: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org de la part de Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr? (EDU) Date: lun. 26.05.2008 12:07 ?: squeakland@squeakland.org Objet : [Squeakland] (no subject) _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From yoshiki at vpri.org Sun Jun 1 23:32:20 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Sun Jun 1 23:49:26 2008 Subject: [Etoys] [Squeakland] Etoys documentation in Spanish In-Reply-To: <483C17EF.1040200@javeriana.edu.co> References: <73F9E30D-1D8A-4A66-BEEA-85043AC05F39@iam.unibe.ch> <483C17EF.1040200@javeriana.edu.co> Message-ID: > * http://www.el-directorio.org/SqueakMedianteEjemplos <-- For Squeak > By Example translation related info. > * http://www.el-directorio.org/Squeak <-- An intro to Squeak. > * http://www.el-directorio.org/Squeak/Enlaces <-- Links with > information about Squeak (education, programming, GUI, etc) > * http://www.el-directorio.org/CategorySqueak <-- List all the pages in > the Squeak category: people, blogs, related projects: plopp, croquet and > so on. Offray, would you mind to add them to the wiki page? I wouldn't be able to quite elaborate on the page which page is which. The name change (from mixture of "Squeak", "Etoys" in various capitalization, "Squeak Etoys", "SqueakToys", etc. to "Etoys") probably has been confusing the readers of existing documents a lot. Especially when some document on "Squeak" is really on "Squeak Smalltalk". I put short explanation on the wiki but should be largely expanded... -- Yoshiki From yoshiki at vpri.org Sun Jun 1 23:55:48 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Mon Jun 2 01:12:38 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Upcoming talk In-Reply-To: <4842A2DC.8090201@gmail.com> References: <4842A2DC.8090201@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Thanks for all the suggestions I will be using something from everyone > who replayed. I hope the talk goes well! > So..... what image should I uses as the base? What image has the > most/best eToys Morphs? (along with all the OLPC projects) I use the vanilla image for my presentations. So, either: http://etoys.laptop.org/src/etoys-image-and-pr.zip or http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/etoys-dev-3.0.zip and update the image from the World menu available Alt-, -> 'help...' -> 'update code from server', and save it. The former comes with some example projects, it would be more convenient. For making many projects and do some "tricks", I tend to prefer to turn off eToyFriendly mode preference. So I usually use the fully updated dev image. Just load some examples and make. To give a uniform looking projects, I have a stupid do it written in a Text object (whose font size and color are set up for the presentation, too) and stick it to the Object flap. When I create a new Project in the image, I drag the Text out along with other "template" type stuff, and evaluate the do it in the text. Then I just type a few words in to the text to make (err) bullet points. -- Yoshiki From hilaire at ofset.org Mon Jun 2 00:27:00 2008 From: hilaire at ofset.org (Hilaire Fernandes) Date: Mon Jun 2 01:12:38 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] v-toys for OLPC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ac6e0530806020027s105d07a6te5b6c572c631641a@mail.gmail.com> You are doing great Pierre-Andr?. About system expert, do you know that you can define a whole DrGeo interactive figure from a Smalltalk code sequence (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:DrGeo3.png)? That way you can just start from a DrGeo smalltalk figure definition, then start your AI inference. Moreover when the DrGeo scripting system will be written, it will be possible from you expert system to highlight (color, thickness) the considered geometric object during the inference. Hilaire 2008/6/2 Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr? (EDU) : > Hi, > > v-toys for OLPC are available at: > > http://community.ofset.org/index.php/V-toys_international > > You'll find some documentation and tutorials on the same page. > V-toys is a visual scripting system compatible with Etoys. > > Easier for beginners and international in the sense that tiles are identified by icons instead of text. > It was presented at the c5 conference in Poitiers > > http://uptv.univ-poitiers.fr/web/canal/61/theme/54/manif/168/index.html > > Help balloons in English will help using the tiles and explain what kind of parameter is needed. > > I am translating now 'Etiquettes actives' (active labels) which is an easier way for programming to very beginners. > > You can see and download the french version at: > > http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Etiquettes_actives . > > > Watch the list: Other projects are coming: > > Examples of Projects mixing DRGeo and E-toys. > > An Expert system (forward chaining.) > > Written in Smalltalk, it is working but I have to build the interface for the use with v-toys. > It is already working in a project for driving a tic tac toe game and in a project making deductions about figures of DrGeo. > > Best regards > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > De: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org de la part de Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr? (EDU) > Date: lun. 26.05.2008 12:07 > ?: squeakland@squeakland.org > Objet : [Squeakland] (no subject) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon Jun 2 14:15:51 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:40:56 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Please help us for translation (An experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments) Message-ID: Hello, We are still trying to package the Etoys for non-XO environments, along with, of course, for XO. Currently, end of June is the *real* target of release day of non-XO packages. The idea is to put relatively small set of languages in it, and it looks like English, German and French are most complete ones. (Thank you!) But, for the US audience, (new world's) Spanish is also important. And Portugese (br and pt) seems to be fairly good to me, but of course I can't tell the quality right away. Can you help us giving the information of the translation quality and completeness for these languages? For the non-XO environment, we will not have good font rendering mechanism other than what we have now, so still the main target is the Latin languages. The completeness doesn't have to be so close to 100%, as now many of the phrases are not for Etoys (rather for the Smalltalk development). But we would like to hear the opinions of the native speakers. Please visit https://dev.laptop.org/translate/ and see how far the translation are going in terms of quality and coverages. Bert told us that there is an old style .translation file for Spanish. We can convert it to .po file, but not sure again if we should merge them to the site, as it might wipe out newly translated phrases. Does anybody has good ideas how to proceed? Thank you! -- Yoshiki From pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch Mon Jun 2 15:38:03 2008 From: pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dreyfuss_Pierre-Andr=E9_=28EDU=29?=) Date: Mon Jun 2 15:40:57 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] v-toys for OLPC References: <7ac6e0530806020027s105d07a6te5b6c572c631641a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'll post more about expert and DrGeo on a post about this topic which is i= n progress. Just for now: The attached file show a figure made using DrGeoII and an interface that ex= tracts facts from the figure. These facts are then put in the expert system. = Below deductions from the expert. First translation of drGeo facts in geome= try by drgeo rules. Then deductions by geometry rules deducing that I J K L is a parallelogram. <> e afficheFaits. 'enonce: DrGFreePointItem A enonce: DrGFreePointItem B enonce: DrGFreePointItem C enonce: DrGFreePointItem D enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [AB] A B enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [BC] B C enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [CD] C D enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [DA] D A enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem I [AB] enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem J [BC] enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem K [CD] enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem L [DA] enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [IJ] I J enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [JK] J K enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [KL] K L enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [LI] L I ' <> e deduis. <> e afficheFaits. 'enonce: DrGFreePointItem A enonce: DrGFreePointItem B enonce: DrGFreePointItem C enonce: DrGFreePointItem D enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [AB] A B enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [BC] B C enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [CD] C D enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [DA] D A enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem I [AB] enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem J [BC] enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem K [CD] enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem L [DA] enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [IJ] I J enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [JK] J K enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [KL] K L enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [LI] L I DrgeoPoint: point A DrgeoPoint: point B DrgeoPoint: point C DrgeoPoint: point D DrgeoSegment: segment [AB] A B DrgeoSegment: segment [BC] B C DrgeoSegment: segment [CD] C D DrgeoSegment: segment [DA] D A DrgeoSegment: segment [IJ] I J DrgeoSegment: segment [JK] J K DrgeoSegment: segment [KL] K L DrgeoSegment: segment [LI] L I DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu I A B DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu J B C DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu K C D DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu L D A mil1: parallele I J A C mil1: parallele J K B D mil1: parallele K L C A mil1: parallele L I D B quadrilatere: quadri A B C D quadrilatere: quadri B C D A quadrilatere: quadri C D A B quadrilatere: quadri D A B C quadrilatere: quadri I J K L quadrilatere: quadri J K L I quadrilatere: quadri K L I J quadrilatere: quadri L I J K mot: quadri A B C D ABCD mot: quadri B C D A BCDA mot: quadri C D A B CDAB mot: quadri D A B C DABC mot: quadri I J K L IJKL mot: quadri J K L I JKLI mot: quadri K L I J KLIJ mot: quadri L I J K LIJK paralTrans: parallele I J K L paralTrans: parallele J K L I paralTrans: parallele K L I J paralTrans: parallele L I J K quadrilatere1: quadrilatere A B C D quadrilatere1: quadrilatere I J K L trapeze1: trapeze I J K L trapeze2: trapeze J K L I parallelo: parallelogramme I J K L ' Regards -------- Message d'origine-------- De: hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com de la part de Hilaire Fernandes Date: lun. 02/06/2008 09:27 =C0: Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr=E9 (EDU) Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org Objet : Re: [Squeakland] v-toys for OLPC = You are doing great Pierre-Andr=E9. About system expert, do you know that you can define a whole DrGeo interactive figure from a Smalltalk code sequence (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:DrGeo3.png)? That way you can just start from a DrGeo smalltalk figure definition, then start your AI inference. Moreover when the DrGeo scripting system will be written, it will be possible from you expert system to highlight (color, thickness) the considered geometric object during the inference. Hilaire 2008/6/2 Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr=E9 (EDU) : > Hi, > > v-toys for OLPC are available at: > > http://community.ofset.org/index.php/V-toys_international > > You'll find some documentation and tutorials on the same page. > V-toys is a visual scripting system compatible with Etoys. > > Easier for beginners and international in the sense that tiles are identi= fied by icons instead of text. > It was presented at the c5 conference in Poitiers > > http://uptv.univ-poitiers.fr/web/canal/61/theme/54/manif/168/index.html <= http://uptv.univ-poitiers.fr/web/canal/61/theme/54/manif/168/index.html> > > Help balloons in English will help using the tiles and explain what kin= d of parameter is needed. > > I am translating now 'Etiquettes actives' (active labels) which is an eas= ier way for programming to very beginners. > > You can see and download the french version at: > > http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Etiquettes_actives . > > > Watch the list: Other projects are coming: > > Examples of Projects mixing DRGeo and E-toys. > > An Expert system (forward chaining.) > > Written in Smalltalk, it is working but I have to build the interface fo= r the use with v-toys. > It is already working in a project for driving a tic tac toe game and in = a project making deductions about figures of DrGeo. > > Best regards > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > De: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org de la part de Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr= =E9 (EDU) > Date: lun. 26.05.2008 12:07 > =C0: squeakland@squeakland.org > Objet : [Squeakland] (no subject) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > -- = http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: extract facts.png Type: image/png Size: 20916 bytes Desc: extract facts.png Url : http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080603/2daed= b26/extractfacts-0001.png From korakurider at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 21:29:21 2008 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Tue Jun 3 00:55:20 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] How to merge Spanish translations Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0806022129h25855fc3n4ab94dca6dc9883a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > Bert told us that there is an old style .translation file > for Spanish. We can convert it to .po file, but not sure again if we > should merge them to the site, as it might wipe out newly translated > phrases. Does anybody has good ideas how to proceed? I would suggest NOT to upload new po directly. You could do offline compare among several POs by poconflicts tool of translation toolkit (http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/poconflicts). After cherrypicking good ones and merging them to master po by off-line hand edit, you could upload the po to Pootle or repo. I have looked into this: +++++ from here +++++++++++++ HOW TO REVIEW CONFLICTS (1) Prepare LinEx image + grab the image (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-May/002361.html) + update it to the latest version of etoys 3.0. (2) Extract PO of LinEx by the extractor of OLPC Etoys + switch language to Spanish + evalute this: GetTextExporter2 new exportTranslator: (InternalTranslator newLocaleID: LocaleID current). Then es.po is created under po/etoys. Note additional packages like DrGeo/ZOODT have been installed into the image and the po contains translatable phrases also for them. If you want to exclude them, evaluate this before export: TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Classroom' domain: 'Classroom'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Connectors-FSM' domain: 'Connectors-FSM'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'DrGeoII' domain: 'DrGeo= '. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Logics''s Gate' domain: 'LogcisGate'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Morphic-Basic-NewCurve' domain: 'MorphNewCurve'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Morphic-Games-Atomic' domain: 'MorphGameA'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Morphic-Games-Imported' domain: 'MorphGameI'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'OpenOffice' domain: 'OpenOffice'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Skelton' domain: 'Skelto= n'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Speech' domain: 'Speech'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'SuperPartBin' domain: 'SPartBin'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Tuzitala' domain: 'Tusit= ala'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'ZOO' domain: 'ZOO'. (I only checked difference of package among them and might miss other changes. And ofcourse you could configure other setting for translation domain) (3) Compare POs with poconflicts + download latest PO from pootle (https://dev.laptop.org/translate/es/etoys/etoys.po) + place both po into some folder (say "po") + execute: poconflicts po conflicts ------ to here -------------------- This results 105 conflicts (attached) of 4405 phrases. This might be still too many to review in given period to finish, but could be possible. If folks working on Spanish could form translation team and review and merge them (and unify them if possible), it would be really great ! Actually LinEx's translation dictioinary have >6000 phrases. >2000 phrases don't match to the latest POT of OLPC Etoys. I am reviewing them right now. Those include: a) phrases for additional packages installed in LinEx image: ----> we could write fix (i.e. bunch of #translatedNoop) to LinEx or the packages to extract POTs if it could help someone. b) phrases we are still missing in OLPC Etoys image. ----> I will fill ticket and propose fix. c) obsoleted strings; I couldn't find it in source code of the image. ----> we could throw away :-) Then all of phrases in the image (excluding obsolete ones) could be migrated without any loss of the effort by LinEx folks... Cheers, /Korakurider -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: conflicts.zip Type: application/zip Size: 24779 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080603/23124= 1f3/conflicts-0001.zip From ducasse at iam.unibe.ch Mon Jun 2 21:30:31 2008 From: ducasse at iam.unibe.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?st=E9phane_ducasse?=) Date: Tue Jun 3 00:55:20 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] v-toys for OLPC In-Reply-To: References: <7ac6e0530806020027s105d07a6te5b6c572c631641a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C2CC02E-5C75-4B67-BE95-E76316913683@iam.unibe.ch> did you publish the code of the forward chainer somewhere like squeaksource :)? On Jun 3, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr? (EDU) wrote: > > Hi, > I'll post more about expert and DrGeo on a post about this topic > which is in progress. > > Just for now: > > The attached file show a figure made using DrGeoII and an interface > that extracts facts from the figure. > > These facts are then put in the expert system. > > Below deductions from the expert. First translation of drGeo facts > in geometry by drgeo rules. > Then deductions by geometry rules deducing that I J K L is a > parallelogram. > > > <> > e afficheFaits. 'enonce: DrGFreePointItem A > enonce: DrGFreePointItem B > enonce: DrGFreePointItem C > enonce: DrGFreePointItem D > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [AB] A B > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [BC] B C > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [CD] C D > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [DA] D A > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem I [AB] > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem J [BC] > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem K [CD] > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem L [DA] > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [IJ] I J > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [JK] J K > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [KL] K L > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [LI] L I > ' > > <> > e deduis. > > <> > e afficheFaits. 'enonce: DrGFreePointItem A > enonce: DrGFreePointItem B > enonce: DrGFreePointItem C > enonce: DrGFreePointItem D > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [AB] A B > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [BC] B C > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [CD] C D > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [DA] D A > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem I [AB] > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem J [BC] > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem K [CD] > enonce: DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem L [DA] > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [IJ] I J > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [JK] J K > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [KL] K L > enonce: DrGSegment2PointsItem [LI] L I > DrgeoPoint: point A > DrgeoPoint: point B > DrgeoPoint: point C > DrgeoPoint: point D > DrgeoSegment: segment [AB] A B > DrgeoSegment: segment [BC] B C > DrgeoSegment: segment [CD] C D > DrgeoSegment: segment [DA] D A > DrgeoSegment: segment [IJ] I J > DrgeoSegment: segment [JK] J K > DrgeoSegment: segment [KL] K L > DrgeoSegment: segment [LI] L I > DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu I A B > DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu J B C > DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu K C D > DrGMiddlePointSegmentItem: milieu L D A > mil1: parallele I J A C > mil1: parallele J K B D > mil1: parallele K L C A > mil1: parallele L I D B > quadrilatere: quadri A B C D > quadrilatere: quadri B C D A > quadrilatere: quadri C D A B > quadrilatere: quadri D A B C > quadrilatere: quadri I J K L > quadrilatere: quadri J K L I > quadrilatere: quadri K L I J > quadrilatere: quadri L I J K > mot: quadri A B C D ABCD > mot: quadri B C D A BCDA > mot: quadri C D A B CDAB > mot: quadri D A B C DABC > mot: quadri I J K L IJKL > mot: quadri J K L I JKLI > mot: quadri K L I J KLIJ > mot: quadri L I J K LIJK > paralTrans: parallele I J K L > paralTrans: parallele J K L I > paralTrans: parallele K L I J > paralTrans: parallele L I J K > quadrilatere1: quadrilatere A B C D > quadrilatere1: quadrilatere I J K L > trapeze1: trapeze I J K L > trapeze2: trapeze J K L I > parallelo: parallelogramme I J K L > ' > Regards > > -------- Message d'origine-------- > De: hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com de la part de Hilaire Fernandes > Date: lun. 02/06/2008 09:27 > ?: Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr? (EDU) > Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org > Objet : Re: [Squeakland] v-toys for OLPC > > You are doing great Pierre-Andr?. > > About system expert, do you know that you can define a whole DrGeo > interactive figure from a Smalltalk code sequence > (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:DrGeo3.png)? > That way you can just start from a DrGeo smalltalk figure definition, > then start your AI inference. > > Moreover when the DrGeo scripting system will be written, it will be > possible from you expert system to highlight (color, thickness) the > considered geometric object during the inference. > > Hilaire > > 2008/6/2 Dreyfuss Pierre-Andr? (EDU) andre.dreyfuss@edu.ge.ch>: >> Hi, >> >> v-toys for OLPC are available at: >> >> http://community.ofset.org/index.php/V-toys_international > > >> >> You'll find some documentation and tutorials on the same page. >> V-toys is a visual scripting system compatible with Etoys. >> >> Easier for beginners and international in the sense that tiles are >> identified by icons instead of text. >> It was presented at the c5 conference in Poitiers >> >> http://uptv.univ-poitiers.fr/web/canal/61/theme/54/manif/168/index.html >> > > >> >> Help balloons in English will help using the tiles and explain >> what kind of parameter is needed. >> >> I am translating now 'Etiquettes actives' (active labels) which is >> an easier way for programming to very beginners. >> >> You can see and download the french version at: >> >> http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Etiquettes_actives > > . >> >> >> Watch the list: Other projects are coming: >> >> Examples of Projects mixing DRGeo and E-toys. >> >> An Expert system (forward chaining.) >> >> Written in Smalltalk, it is working but I have to build the >> interface for the use with v-toys. >> It is already working in a project for driving a tic tac toe game >> and in a project making deductions about figures of DrGeo. >> >> Best regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> De: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org de la part de Dreyfuss Pierre- >> Andr? (EDU) >> Date: lun. 26.05.2008 12:07 >> ?: squeakland@squeakland.org >> Objet : [Squeakland] (no subject) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@squeakland.org >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> > > > > -- > http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From jredrejo at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 00:59:45 2008 From: jredrejo at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Luis_Redrejo?=) Date: Tue Jun 3 02:04:24 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Please help us for translation (An experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8eb28a500806030059l32bcdc08n8c30ad5631cc71de@mail.gmail.com> MjAwOC82LzIgWW9zaGlraSBPaHNoaW1hIDx5b3NoaWtpQHZwcmkub3JnPjoKCj4gIEhlbGxvLAo+ Cj4gIFdlIGFyZSBzdGlsbCB0cnlpbmcgdG8gcGFja2FnZSB0aGUgRXRveXMgZm9yIG5vbi1YTyBl bnZpcm9ubWVudHMsCj4gYWxvbmcgd2l0aCwgb2YgY291cnNlLCBmb3IgWE8uCj4KPiAgQ3VycmVu dGx5LCBlbmQgb2YgSnVuZSBpcyB0aGUgKnJlYWwqIHRhcmdldCBvZiByZWxlYXNlIGRheSBvZiBu b24tWE8KPiBwYWNrYWdlcy4gIFRoZSBpZGVhIGlzIHRvIHB1dCByZWxhdGl2ZWx5IHNtYWxsIHNl dCBvZiBsYW5ndWFnZXMgaW4gaXQsCj4gYW5kIGl0IGxvb2tzIGxpa2UgRW5nbGlzaCwgR2VybWFu IGFuZCBGcmVuY2ggYXJlIG1vc3QgY29tcGxldGUgb25lcy4KPiAoVGhhbmsgeW91ISkKPgo+ICBC dXQsIGZvciB0aGUgVVMgYXVkaWVuY2UsIChuZXcgd29ybGQncykgU3BhbmlzaCBpcyBhbHNvIGlt cG9ydGFudC4KPiBBbmQgUG9ydHVnZXNlIChiciBhbmQgcHQpIHNlZW1zIHRvIGJlIGZhaXJseSBn b29kIHRvIG1lLCBidXQgb2YgY291cnNlCj4gSSBjYW4ndCB0ZWxsIHRoZSBxdWFsaXR5IHJpZ2h0 IGF3YXkuCj4KPiAgQ2FuIHlvdSBoZWxwIHVzIGdpdmluZyB0aGUgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gb2YgdGhl IHRyYW5zbGF0aW9uIHF1YWxpdHkKPiBhbmQgY29tcGxldGVuZXNzIGZvciB0aGVzZSBsYW5ndWFn ZXM/ICBGb3IgdGhlIG5vbi1YTyBlbnZpcm9ubWVudCwgd2UKPiB3aWxsIG5vdCBoYXZlIGdvb2Qg Zm9udCByZW5kZXJpbmcgbWVjaGFuaXNtIG90aGVyIHRoYW4gd2hhdCB3ZSBoYXZlCj4gbm93LCBz byBzdGlsbCB0aGUgbWFpbiB0YXJnZXQgaXMgdGhlIExhdGluIGxhbmd1YWdlcy4KPgo+ICBUaGUg Y29tcGxldGVuZXNzIGRvZXNuJ3QgaGF2ZSB0byBiZSBzbyBjbG9zZSB0byAxMDAlLCBhcyBub3cg bWFueSBvZgo+IHRoZSBwaHJhc2VzIGFyZSBub3QgZm9yIEV0b3lzIChyYXRoZXIgZm9yIHRoZSBT bWFsbHRhbGsgZGV2ZWxvcG1lbnQpLgo+IEJ1dCB3ZSB3b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIGhlYXIgdGhlIG9w aW5pb25zIG9mIHRoZSBuYXRpdmUgc3BlYWtlcnMuCj4KPiAgUGxlYXNlIHZpc2l0Cj4KPiBodHRw czovL2Rldi5sYXB0b3Aub3JnL3RyYW5zbGF0ZS8KPgo+IGFuZCBzZWUgaG93IGZhciB0aGUgdHJh bnNsYXRpb24gYXJlIGdvaW5nIGluIHRlcm1zIG9mIHF1YWxpdHkgYW5kCj4gY292ZXJhZ2VzLiAg QmVydCB0b2xkIHVzIHRoYXQgdGhlcmUgaXMgYW4gb2xkIHN0eWxlIC50cmFuc2xhdGlvbiBmaWxl Cj4gZm9yIFNwYW5pc2guICBXZSBjYW4gY29udmVydCBpdCB0byAucG8gZmlsZSwgYnV0IG5vdCBz dXJlIGFnYWluIGlmIHdlCj4gc2hvdWxkIG1lcmdlIHRoZW0gdG8gdGhlIHNpdGUsIGFzIGl0IG1p Z2h0IHdpcGUgb3V0IG5ld2x5IHRyYW5zbGF0ZWQKPiBwaHJhc2VzLiAgRG9lcyBhbnlib2R5IGhh cyBnb29kIGlkZWFzIGhvdyB0byBwcm9jZWVkPwo+CgpZb3NoaWtpLCBhcyB5b3Uga25vdywgaW4g TGluRXggd2UgaGF2ZSBhbGwgdGhlIHN0cmluZ3MgdHJhbnNsYXRlZCBmb3IgdGhlCmV0b3lzIGlt YWdlIChwbHVzIHNvbWUgb3RoZXIgc3RyaW5ncyBmcm9tIHNvbWUgcGFja2FnZXMgYXMgZHJnZW8s IHNrZWxldG9uLApldGMuKS4gQW50b25pbyBNb3Jlbm8gaGFzIGNvbnRhY3RlZCB3aXRoIHNvbWUg b2YgdGhlIGV0b3lzIHBlb3BsZSwgYnV0IHRoZQphbnN3ZXJzIGFyZSBub3QgcmVhbGx5IGNsZWFy IGFib3V0IHRoZSB3YXkgeW91IHdhbnQgdXMgdG8gZ2l2ZSB5b3UgdGhlCnRyYW5zbGF0aW9uLiAg T3VyIGN1cnJlbnQgaW1hZ2UgaXMgdG90YWxseSBiYXNlZCBvbiB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBvbHBjIGlt YWdlICwKd2l0aCBjaGFuZ2VzZXRzIGFkZGVkIGZyb20gdXMsIGJ1dCB3ZSBoYXZlIGFsbCB0aGUg Y2xhc3NlcyBhbmQgb2JqZWN0cyB0aGUKZXRveXMgaW1hZ2UgaGFzLCBzbyBpZiB5b3UgZ2l2ZSB0 aGUgZXhhY3Qgd2F5IHlvdSB3YW50IHVzIHRvIGV4dHJhY3QgdGhlCnRyYW5zbGF0aW9uIHlvdSBj YW4gaGF2ZSB0aGUgc3BhbmlzaCB0cmFuc2xhdGlvbiBmaW5pc2hlZCAoYW5kIHRlc3RlZCAmCmNo ZWNrZWQpIHJpZ2h0IG5vdy4KQWJvdXQgdGhlIG5ld2x5IHRyYW5zbGF0ZWQgcGhyYXNlcywgaWYg b3VyIGltYWdlIGhhcyBiZWVuIHVzZWQgYW5kIHRlc3RlZApmb3Igc2V2ZXJhbCB5ZWFycywgd2l0 aCB0ZWFjaGVycyBmaXhpbmcgdHJhbnNsYXRpb25zIHdoZW4gc29tZSBtaXN0YWtlIHdhcwpmb3Vu ZCwgd2hhdCdzIHRoZSBwcm9ibGVtIG9uIHdpcGluZyBvdXQgbmV3bHkgdHJhbnNsYXRlZCBwaHJh c2VzIHRoYXQgaGFzCm5vdCBiZWVuIGNoZWNrZWQgZm9yIHNvIG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlPwoKUmVnYXJk cy4KSm9zw6kgTC4KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCkFuIEhU TUwgYXR0YWNobWVudCB3YXMgc2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRwOi8vc3F1ZWFrbGFuZC5vcmcv cGlwZXJtYWlsL3NxdWVha2xhbmQvYXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAwODA2MDMvYjJlM2ZjMzcvYXR0YWNo bWVudC5odG0K From korakurider at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 03:03:11 2008 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Tue Jun 3 04:34:56 2008 Subject: [Localization] [Squeakland] Please help us for translation (An experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments) In-Reply-To: <8eb28a500806030059l32bcdc08n8c30ad5631cc71de@mail.gmail.com> References: <8eb28a500806030059l32bcdc08n8c30ad5631cc71de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0806030303u4d9f1f05w1736deb29340e779@mail.gmail.com> Hello. On 6/3/08, Jos? Luis Redrejo wrote: > > > 2008/6/2 Yoshiki Ohshima : > > Hello, > > > > We are still trying to package the Etoys for non-XO environments, > > along with, of course, for XO. > > > > Currently, end of June is the *real* target of release day of non-XO > > packages. The idea is to put relatively small set of languages in it, > > and it looks like English, German and French are most complete ones. > > (Thank you!) > > > > But, for the US audience, (new world's) Spanish is also important. > > And Portugese (br and pt) seems to be fairly good to me, but of course > > I can't tell the quality right away. > > > > Can you help us giving the information of the translation quality > > and completeness for these languages? For the non-XO environment, we > > will not have good font rendering mechanism other than what we have > > now, so still the main target is the Latin languages. > > > > The completeness doesn't have to be so close to 100%, as now many of > > the phrases are not for Etoys (rather for the Smalltalk development). > > But we would like to hear the opinions of the native speakers. > > > > Please visit > > > > https://dev.laptop.org/translate/ > > > > and see how far the translation are going in terms of quality and > > coverages. Bert told us that there is an old style .translation file > > for Spanish. We can convert it to .po file, but not sure again if we > > should merge them to the site, as it might wipe out newly translated > > phrases. Does anybody has good ideas how to proceed? > > > > Yoshiki, as you know, in LinEx we have all the strings translated for the > etoys image (plus some other strings from some packages as drgeo, skeleton, > etc.). Antonio Moreno has contacted with some of the etoys people, but the > answers are not really clear about the way you want us to give you the > translation. Our current image is totally based on the current olpc image , > with changesets added from us, but we have all the classes and objects the > etoys image has, so if you give the exact way you want us to extract the > translation you can have the spanish translation finished (and tested & > checked) right now. Thank you for sharing your work with us ! And sorry, I wasn't enough clear in my recent mails in list. For OLPC etoys we are using gettext (emulation) and that have changed how translation dictionary is managed. In legacy translation engine, there could be obsolete or unused string in dictionary. Now we extract strings that are receivers of #translated or #translatedNoop as POT and populate translations into that. There can't be obsolete or unused strings in dictionary, as long as dictionary and source code are in sync . So legacy translation data needs to be "finalized" before it will be merged into the working version on Pootle. I described the finalization process in http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-June/002379.html (see step (1) and (2)) What I attached to http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-May/002362.html was the results and I suggested people to try it. Some strings are missing in extracted POT while that are successfully translated in the legacy image. Because the strings aren't the receiver of #translated and gettext exporter can't extract them. There are missing strings also from migrated your translations. we have been trying to fix the problem (see https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6704 for example) and we will fix also for yours. > About the newly translated phrases, if our image has been used and tested > for several years, with teachers fixing translations when some mistake was > found, what's the problem on wiping out newly translated phrases that has > not been checked for so many people? I (and Yoshiki, I think) couldn't discuss about quality of the translation language not familiar to me. I could just point out the fact that there are conflicts between yours and the one on Pootle (attached to http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-June/002379.html ) . I think it should be no problem to wipe out the working version on Pootle if people like you think yours is authoritative. (but you might want to review the conflicts anyway). We would like just to see Spanish translation team agree on this, though I don't know who they are. Thank you! /Korakurider > > Regards. > Jos? L. From pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch Tue Jun 3 08:42:19 2008 From: pierre-andre.dreyfuss at edu.ge.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dreyfuss_Pierre-Andr=E9_=28EDU=29?=) Date: Tue Jun 3 21:48:47 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Please help us for translation (An experimentalversion of OLPC image for non-XO environments) References: Message-ID: Hi, I'll check the french translation -------- Message d'origine-------- De: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org de la part de Yoshiki Ohshima Date: lun. 02/06/2008 23:15 ?: squeakland@squeakland.org; Etoys lists; Localization mailing list Objet : [Squeakland] Please help us for translation (An experimentalversion of OLPC image for non-XO environments) Hello, We are still trying to package the Etoys for non-XO environments, along with, of course, for XO. Currently, end of June is the *real* target of release day of non-XO packages. The idea is to put relatively small set of languages in it, and it looks like English, German and French are most complete ones. (Thank you!) But, for the US audience, (new world's) Spanish is also important. And Portugese (br and pt) seems to be fairly good to me, but of course I can't tell the quality right away. Can you help us giving the information of the translation quality and completeness for these languages? For the non-XO environment, we will not have good font rendering mechanism other than what we have now, so still the main target is the Latin languages. The completeness doesn't have to be so close to 100%, as now many of the phrases are not for Etoys (rather for the Smalltalk development). But we would like to hear the opinions of the native speakers. Please visit https://dev.laptop.org/translate/ and see how far the translation are going in terms of quality and coverages. Bert told us that there is an old style .translation file for Spanish. We can convert it to .po file, but not sure again if we should merge them to the site, as it might wipe out newly translated phrases. Does anybody has good ideas how to proceed? Thank you! -- Yoshiki _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland From palexa at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 03:04:48 2008 From: palexa at gmail.com (Paula Alexandra Gomes da Silva) Date: Wed Jun 4 03:17:13 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] How to run a sript made in the world Message-ID: Hi all I need to execute a script that i made in the world. I did it in the world because i needed to use the input commands. But now i need to create another script that runs this script i created in the world as well as others i created on other objects. For objects in general i can use the scripting options to "call a script", but this is not available for the world. Can someone please help me solving this? Thanks a lot, palexa -- Paula Alexandra Silva http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~palexa/ http://dme.uma.pt/pt/people/faculty/Paula.Alexandra.Silva.html From bert at freudenbergs.de Wed Jun 4 03:22:11 2008 From: bert at freudenbergs.de (Bert Freudenberg) Date: Wed Jun 4 03:29:03 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] How to run a sript made in the world In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CFDE7ED-011E-401F-90D9-9D952F342F88@freudenbergs.de> On 04.06.2008, at 12:04, Paula Alexandra Gomes da Silva wrote: > Hi all > > I need to execute a script that i made in the world. I did it in the > world because i needed to use the input commands. But now i need to > create another script that runs this script i created in the world as > well as others i created on other objects. For objects in general i > can use the scripting options to "call a script", but this is not > available for the world. > > Can someone please help me solving this? Calling a script is much simpler - just drag the script tile from the viewer into a script, as if it was a regular tile (which, in fact, it is). - Bert - From yoshiki at vpri.org Thu Jun 5 13:05:54 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Thu Jun 5 15:26:46 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Please help us for translation (An experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments) In-Reply-To: <8eb28a500806030059l32bcdc08n8c30ad5631cc71de@mail.gmail.com> References: <8eb28a500806030059l32bcdc08n8c30ad5631cc71de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jos?, > Yoshiki, as you know, in LinEx we have all the strings translated for the etoys image (plus some other strings from some > packages as drgeo, skeleton, etc.). Antonio Moreno has contacted with some of the etoys people, but the answers are not > really clear about the way you want us to give you the translation. Our current image is totally based on the current > olpc image , with changesets added from us, but we have all the classes and objects the etoys image has, so if you give > the exact way you want us to extract the translation you can have the spanish translation finished (and tested & > checked) right now. > About the newly translated phrases, if our image has been used and tested for several years, with teachers fixing > translations when some mistake was found, what's the problem on wiping out newly translated phrases that has not been > checked for so many people? Sorry for not being clear. Korakurider has responded in more detail and we definitely proceed in the right way. As he wrote, if you think it is fine (and perhaps it is more consitent to use phrases from one team) to "wipe" the existing one (as probably most of them are derivatives of LinEx work). Some people may get a bit of bad feelings... So, please speak up before that. Another thing is the difference of european Spanish and new world Spanish. 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K. Subramaniam) Date: Mon Jun 9 07:19:06 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] update server for Squeakland-OLPC Message-ID: <200806091254.30123.subbukk@gmail.com> Hi, I don't have an XO but use the Squeakland-OLPC etoys image on a Linux box. The update URL in this etoys image points to tinlizzie.org/updates/squeakland. Etoys bug fixes are going into tinlizzie.org/updates/etoys but not into updates/squeakland. Will the Etoys image for XO and non-XO hardware start diverging? Or is the plan to keep them the same? Subbu From yoshiki at vpri.org Mon Jun 9 11:30:12 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Mon Jun 9 11:42:06 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Re: [Etoys] update server for Squeakland-OLPC In-Reply-To: <200806091254.30123.subbukk@gmail.com> References: <200806091254.30123.subbukk@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Subbu, At Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:54:29 +0530, K. K. Subramaniam wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't have an XO but use the Squeakland-OLPC etoys image on a Linux box. The > update URL in this etoys image points to tinlizzie.org/updates/squeakland. > Etoys bug fixes are going into tinlizzie.org/updates/etoys but not into > updates/squeakland. > > Will the Etoys image for XO and non-XO hardware start diverging? Or is the > plan to keep them the same? In a sense, the answer is yes. Here is the reason: A typical installation of Squeakland-OLPC will be at schools, and typically they have strict policy on changing/updating files (i.e., they don't like to change the applications once they are installed). We decided to release a frozen version for that year and not pushing updates to Squeakland-OLPC. In the meantime, the actual OLPC development will be under day-to-day updates and modifications. We need to keep up with their release cycles, and we should answer the needs from deployments. We will be pushing updates to OLPC-Etoys. After a year, or some time period, we will make a new Squeakland-OLPC package based on the latest changes on OLPC-Etoys. There, we do synchronize the base image not before too long. There is a possibility that some changes to OLPC-Etoys may break the compatibility. (I.e., a project that made in the cutting edge OLPC-Etoys image might not load into the "latest" Squeakland-OLPC.) We should minimize this, but it would happen when that change is really needed. -- Yoshiki From kim.rose at vpri.org Thu Jun 12 07:30:23 2008 From: kim.rose at vpri.org (Kim Rose) Date: Thu Jun 12 08:31:25 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Save the Date: C5-09 Message-ID: U2F2ZSB0aGUgRGF0ZSEKClBsYW4gdG8gcGFydGljaXBhdGUgaW4gdGhlIFNldmVudGggQW5udWFs IEludGVybmF0aW9uYWwgQzUgQ29uZmVyZW5jZS4KCkNvbmZlcmVuY2Ugb24gQ3JlYXRpbmcsIENv bm5lY3RpbmcgYW5kIENvbGxhYm9yYXRpbmcgdGhyb3VnaCBDb21wdXRpbmcKSmFudWFyeSAxOSAt IDIyLCAyMDA5Ckt5b3RvLCBKYXBhbgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNtLmlzLnJpdHN1bWVpLmFjLmpwL2M1 LTA5LwoK77+8CgpKb2luIHVzIGF0IHRoZSA3dGggYW5udWFsIGdhdGhlcmluZyB0byBsZWFybiBh bmQgc2hhcmUgYWJvdXQgcmVjZW50ICAKd29yayBpbiB0aGUgYXJlYXMgb2YgY29sbGFib3JhdGl2 ZSBzeXN0ZW1zLCBjb25uZWN0aW5nIHBlb3BsZSBhcm91bmQgIAp0aGUgd29ybGQgdGhyb3VnaCBj b21wdXRpbmcsIGFuZCBjcmVhdGluZyBuZXcgbWVkaWEgZm9yIGJ1c2luZXNzLCAgCnNvY2lhbCBk ZXZlbG9wbWVudCwgbGVhcm5pbmcgYW5kIHBsYXkhCgpUaGUgQzUgY29uZmVyZW5jZSBpcyBmb3Ig cmVzZWFyY2hlcnMsIHNvZnR3YXJlIGRldmVsb3BlcnMsIGVkdWNhdG9ycywgIApkZXNpZ25lcnMs IGFuZCB0ZWNobm9sb2d5IHVzZXJzIHdobyBhcmUgY29uY2VybmVkIGFib3V0IGRldmVsb3Bpbmcg IAphbmQgZW5hYmxpbmcgaHVtYW4tb3JpZW50ZWQgY3JlYXRpb24sIGNvbm5lY3Rpb24sIGFuZCBj b2xsYWJvcmF0aW9uICAKcHJvY2Vzc2VzLiBDNSBpcyBhbiBpbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIGZvcnVtIGZv ciBwcmVzZW50aW5nIG9uZ29pbmcgd29yayAgCmFzIHdlbGwgYXMgbmV3IHdvcmsgY3VycmVudGx5 IHVuZGVyIGRldmVsb3BtZW50IGFuZCBmb3IgZGlzY3Vzc2luZyAgCmZ1dHVyZSBuZWVkcyBhbmQg ZGlyZWN0aW9ucyBpbiBjcmVhdGl2ZSBjb21wdXRpbmcgYW5kIG11bHRpbWVkaWEgIAphdXRob3Jp bmcgZW52aXJvbm1lbnRzLgoKQ29uZmVyZW5jZSBzZXNzaW9ucyB3aWxsIGluY2x1ZGUgaW52aXRl ZCB0YWxrcywgaW5jbHVkaW5nIG9uZSBmcm9tICAKRHIuIEFsYW4gS2F5LCBWaWV3cG9pbnRzIFJl c2VhcmNoIEluc3RpdHV0ZSwgZm9ybWFsIHBhcGVyICAKcHJlc2VudGF0aW9ucywgaGFuZHMtb24g d29ya3Nob3BzLCBpbmZvcm1hbCAidW4tY29uZmVyZW5jZSIgYW5kICAKImxpZ2h0bmluZyIgc2Vz c2lvbnMgYXMgd2VsbCBzb2NpYWwgYW5kIHNpZ2h0c2VlaW5nIGV2ZW50cy4KCk91ciBjYWxsIGZv ciBwYXBlcnMgKENGUCkgIHdpbGwgYmUgcHVibGlzaGVkIHNob3J0bHksIHdpdGggeW91ciAgCnRp bWVmcmFtZSBmb3Igc3VibWlzc2lvbiwgIGJ1dCBmb3Igbm93LCBwbGVhc2Ugc2F2ZSB0aGUgZGF0 ZSBhbmQgcGxhbiAgCnRvIGpvaW4gdXMgaW4gbG92ZWx5LCBLeW90bywgSmFwYW4hCgogIC0tIFRo ZSBDNS1Pcmdhbml6aW5nIENvbW1pdHRlZQoKLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tClNraXBwZWQgY29udGVudCBvZiB0eXBlIG11bHRpcGFydC9yZWxhdGVk From luke at member.fsf.org Fri Jun 13 01:12:37 2008 From: luke at member.fsf.org (Luke Gorrie) Date: Fri Jun 13 07:58:00 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Etoys workshop in London: want to help? Message-ID: <1d0fb8fc0806130112i59607ba0o3748294bc5883d05@mail.gmail.com> Hi! Any Squeakers in London who want to help run a small "introduction to Etoys" workshop in a couple of weeks? Me and Christophe Rhodes are doing one at Goldsmiths College on the afternoon of Thursday June 26th. We'll do a simple "drive a car"-based tutorial and the attendees will mostly be faculty who might like to incorporate Etoys into their intro-to-programming courses. This is a rendition of workshops we've done in Kathmandu earlier and they're a lot of fun. It'd be handy to have one or two more people wandering around helping people when they get stuck or a debugger window pops up, etc. Let me know if you're interested! We may not have many spare seats on this occasion so I'm only inviting helpers. I'd also quite like to borrow an XO in London over 25th-26th so let me know if you have a spare one. :-) Cheers, -Luke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080613/0c45e8= 09/attachment.htm From timothy at immuexa.com Thu Jun 19 04:45:41 2008 From: timothy at immuexa.com (Timothy Falconer) Date: Thu Jun 19 04:49:35 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] new Etoys courseware, new pilots in Florida and Nicaragua Message-ID: <2CF2698E-3C1D-42F5-97F7-9EA0F3295980@immuexa.com> Hi everyone, Waveplace has finished its beta "Squeaky Tales" courseware ... 30 lessons (with videos) that teach how to teach Etoys on the XO. To see examples, or to become a beta tester, visit: http://waveplace.com/resources/tutorials/ We took everything we learned in our first pilot (in the Virgin Islands) and started completely over. The pacing is much better, as is the storytelling component, which was crucial in St John. We're using the beta courseware in our three pilots this summer, and will then start completely over and make a physical textbook and DVD series (in English, Spanish, and French). All will be sold at cost for physical materials. (We're a non-profit.) In other news, we held our first intensive teacher workshop last week in Immokalee, Florida. The teachers are very enthusiastic. For the next two months, they'll be using the courseware to teach 42 children, each of whom received their very own XO last week. Larry Abramson from NPR spent a day with us, listening as we taught the teachers and later the children. Lastly, we've just finished prep work for our 4th pilot ... this time on the Pacific coast of Nicaragua in a school that currently has no electricity. If all goes well, we'll be starting that pilot in mid- July. When this pilot finishs, Waveplace will have given both XOs and training to more than 100 children and 20 teachers. For more on the Immokalee and Nicaragua pilots, or to hear about our Haiti pilot, read the current issue of our newsletter: http://waveplace.com/news/newsletter/web.jsp?id=7 You can also subscribe to it by visiting: http://waveplace.com/subscribe/ Take care, Tim -- Timothy Falconer http://bigfractaltangle.com 610-393-1889 mobile Immuexa Corporation http://immuexa.com 610-797-3100 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080619/a42a66da/attachment.htm From hilaire at ofset.org Sun Jun 22 02:16:58 2008 From: hilaire at ofset.org (Hilaire Fernandes) Date: Sun Jun 22 03:43:14 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak/Smalltalk at LSM 2008 Message-ID: <7ac6e0530806220216o50567321u5e9b906c67b4ccf9@mail.gmail.com> The 9th Libre Software Meeting will be held at Mont de Marsan, Landes, in SW France, from the 1 to the 5 of July. LSM is an international free software event taking place in Jully, each year, in a town of France. The first event took place in 2000 at Bordeaux. This year, Squeak/Smalltalk will be largely represented with conferences and workshops. http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire/index.php?post/Squeak-Smalltalk-LSM-2008 Hilaire -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire From timothy at immuexa.com Wed Jun 25 16:25:17 2008 From: timothy at immuexa.com (Timothy Falconer) Date: Wed Jun 25 22:23:04 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] two-part NPR story on the Waveplace XO pilot in Immokalee, Florida Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just heard the two-part NPR story on Waveplace's XO and Etoys pilot in Immokalee, Florida. Have a listen: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91891812 Photos from the pilot: http://waveplace.com/mu/waveplace/item/tp142 Video is in the works. Take care, Tim -- Timothy Falconer http://bigfractaltangle.com 610-393-1889 mobile Immuexa Corporation http://immuexa.com 610-797-3100 From youngjin.michael at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 19:57:15 2008 From: youngjin.michael at gmail.com (Young-Jin Lee) Date: Wed Jun 25 22:23:04 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] [Q] add new sound, Kedama in OLPC image Message-ID: <9a2a73210806251957x34bcd8dcn6b8520e3253f589b@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have a few questions about the OLPC version of eToy, which I downloaded from http://etoys.laptop.org/src/etoys-image-and-pr.zip . First, it looks like the current eToy image that can be downloaded from squekland web site cannot open OLPC-eToy projects. I assume that the Squeakland download version will be replaced with the OLPC version. I guess that my quetion is if I use the OLPC version now, will my eToy project can be opened in the future Squeakland download version? Second, is there a way to import an mp3 file and use it in a sketch? In other words, I want to add a new sound in the "sound" category of the sketch viewer. Is this possible? Third, the Object catablog of the OLPC version does not include Kedama. Does this mean that Kedama is not supported in the OLPC version? I guess not, because I saw Kedama examples, e.g., ParticlesDyeInWater.009.pr, in the ExampleEtoy folder. But, I could not figure out how to do a Kedama project in the OLPC version. Can anyone explain how to do the Kedana project in the OLPC version? Thanks in advance. Young-JIn Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080625/ae462a= 03/attachment.htm From korakurider at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 23:03:43 2008 From: korakurider at gmail.com (Korakurider) Date: Wed Jun 25 23:54:32 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] [Q] add new sound, Kedama in OLPC image In-Reply-To: <9a2a73210806251957x34bcd8dcn6b8520e3253f589b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a2a73210806251957x34bcd8dcn6b8520e3253f589b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <75eb0b0e0806252303r43ae5940u3f281c2de34397ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Young-Jin Lee wrote: > Hello, > > I have a few questions about the OLPC version of eToy, which I downloaded > from http://etoys.laptop.org/src/etoys-image-and-pr.zip . > > First, it looks like the current eToy image that can be downloaded from > squekland web site cannot open OLPC-eToy projects. I assume that the > Squeakland download version will be replaced with the OLPC version. I guess > that my quetion is if I use the OLPC version now, will my eToy project can > be opened in the future Squeakland download version? Yes. They have plan to release new version of Squeakland called "Squeakland OLPC" for non-XO platform. That will be basically same image as "OLPC Etoys", but with different configurations. Early prototype has been released; see http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-May/002307.html > Second, is there a way to import an mp3 file and use it in a sketch? In > other words, I want to add a new sound in the "sound" category of the sketch > viewer. Is this possible? You surely could add custom sounds and use them within tiles. With "Sound Library" in Object Catalog you could load aiff/wav. Unfortunately mp3 isn't supported, but you could convert it (or even hack mp3 support :-). And with SoundRecorder you could record from microphone or line input and save in library. > Third, the Object catablog of the OLPC version does not include Kedama. Does > this mean that Kedama is not supported in the OLPC version? I guess not, > because I saw Kedama examples, e.g., ParticlesDyeInWater.009.pr, in the > ExampleEtoy folder. But, I could not figure out how to do a Kedama project > in the OLPC version. Can anyone explain how to do the Kedana project in the > OLPC version? You could still use Kedama in the new image though that is improved from old one in squeakland2005 and there might be some incompatibility. In object catalog, "Particles" is equivalent of old "Kedama bundle". hope this helps. /Korakurider > > Thanks in advance. > > Young-JIn Lee > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > From yoshiki at vpri.org Thu Jun 26 09:58:42 2008 From: yoshiki at vpri.org (Yoshiki Ohshima) Date: Thu Jun 26 12:17:38 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] [Q] add new sound, Kedama in OLPC image In-Reply-To: <9a2a73210806251957x34bcd8dcn6b8520e3253f589b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a2a73210806251957x34bcd8dcn6b8520e3253f589b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, Young-Jin, Korakurider's reply answers them all. (I do mostly what he tells me to do after all^^;) The incompatibility of Kedama he mentioned is big, unfortunately. A Kedama project made in the old Squeakland *may* load onto the new system, but you cannot edit scripts in such a project. In shorter words, it is better to say, "old Kedama projects won't work in the new Squeakland-Etoys." Sorry about that. -- Yoshiki At Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:57:15 -0500, Young-Jin Lee wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > > [1.2 ] > Hello, > > I have a few questions about the OLPC version of eToy, which I downloaded from http://etoys.laptop.org/src/ > etoys-image-and-pr.zip . > > First, it looks like the current eToy image that can be downloaded from squekland web site cannot open OLPC-eToy > projects. I assume that the Squeakland download version will be replaced with the OLPC version. I guess that my quetion > is if I use the OLPC version now, will my eToy project can be opened in the future Squeakland download version? > > Second, is there a way to import an mp3 file and use it in a sketch? In other words, I want to add a new sound in the > "sound" category of the sketch viewer. Is this possible? > > Third, the Object catablog of the OLPC version does not include Kedama. Does this mean that Kedama is not supported in > the OLPC version? I guess not, because I saw Kedama examples, e.g., ParticlesDyeInWater.009.pr, in the ExampleEtoy > folder. But, I could not figure out how to do a Kedama project in the OLPC version. Can anyone explain how to do the > Kedana project in the OLPC version? > > Thanks in advance. > > Young-JIn Lee From youngjin.michael at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 11:31:50 2008 From: youngjin.michael at gmail.com (Young-Jin Lee) Date: Thu Jun 26 12:17:39 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Web plugin problem Message-ID: <9a2a73210806261131g4cb65eadl70e7b193e492ead9@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have been experiencing a Web plugin problem. I am using Mac OS X (v. 10.5.3), FireFox (v. 3.0), Safari (v. 3.1.1), and the current Squeakland image available at squeakland.org. I cannot run any eToy project in a Web browser even though I used to in the past. For instance, when I visit the http://www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html Web page, I did not any animation in FireFox, and I only saw a black square in Safari. I re-installed the Squeakland image after removing /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/SqueakBrowserPlugin.plugin, but it did not solve the problem. Is there anyone experiencing this problem? Can anyone help me solve this problem? Thanks in advance. Young-Jin Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://squeakland.org/pipermail/squeakland/attachments/20080626/c5c492= 9c/attachment.htm From m.rueger at acm.org Fri Jun 27 05:44:15 2008 From: m.rueger at acm.org (Michael Rueger) Date: Fri Jun 27 06:56:36 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Web plugin problem In-Reply-To: <9a2a73210806261131g4cb65eadl70e7b193e492ead9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a2a73210806261131g4cb65eadl70e7b193e492ead9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4864E09F.4000201@acm.org> Hello, we finally managed to get everything sorted out (big thank you to John McIntosh!) and are making an updated version of the Mac OS X squeakland installer available: http://squeakland.org/installers/SqueaklandInstaller.dmg We also added it to the download page, you may need to clear your cache or force reload to see the new link. Please let us know if the new version fixes your problems. Thanks Michael From gaelli at emergent.de Fri Jun 27 00:24:07 2008 From: gaelli at emergent.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_G=E4lli?=) Date: Fri Jun 27 06:56:37 2008 Subject: [Squeakland] Web plugin problem In-Reply-To: <9a2a73210806261131g4cb65eadl70e7b193e492ead9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9a2a73210806261131g4cb65eadl70e7b193e492ead9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E0C472C-A968-4CB3-86DE-B02CC8A609BA@emergent.de> Hi Young-Jin as far as I remember (cannot find the mail thread now) there is a newer squeakland version from John MacIntosh which fixes this problem. Try the latest plugin from ftp://ftp.smalltalkconsulting.com It _should_ be integrated into the squeakland download by now. Cheers Markus Am 26.06.2008 um 20:31 schrieb Young-Jin Lee: > Hello, > > I have been experiencing a Web plugin problem. I am using Mac OS X > (v. 10.5.3), FireFox (v. 3.0), Safari (v. 3.1.1), and the current > Squeakland image available at squeakland.org. > > I cannot run any eToy project in a Web browser even though I used > to in the past. For instance, when I visit the http:// > www.squeakland.org/plugin/launch.html Web page, I did not any > animation in FireFox, and I only saw a black square in Safari. > > I re-installed the Squeakland image after removing /Library/ > Internet Plug-Ins/SqueakBrowserPlugin.plugin, but it did not solve > the problem. > > Is there anyone experiencing this problem? Can anyone help me solve > this problem? > > Thanks in advance. > > Young-Jin Lee > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland